Boosts is going to ruin TBC classic

[Charlatan-ashbringer]

I agree your entire approach. And i guess botting is already at its maximum limit in this game. Boost or no boost cant make it worse

We just need a single gm for gods sake.

[Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords]

Maybe you should look up the meaning of words before trying to use them.

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Ashreon-mirage-raceway

I’m not saying a haircut is not a service, but if both people or players buy a haircut they both buy that service. If one customer decides to buy a haircut AND a head massage, he’s bought an additional/optional service the other guy didn’t. Shouldn’t be so hard to understand. The same applies to a game. We have both bought access to a service, one decides to buy additional services the other does not.

You explain the same thing twice and i tell you now for the second time that was never my point, because the definition of a “service” is not the issue here. Again this happens because you refuse to see why " we " dont want the boost and " we " think that it wil have a very bad impact on the game.
Debating a person and refusing to see their point could actually be the textbook definition of ignorance. You writing about stuff only from your perspective.
For you is important to be right not to find a solution. Maybe iam judging here to fast but i dont see any other reson why you even writing those.
But ok, because iam a nice guy(not with girls lel) i do this once more.

@Ashreon-mirage-raceway

On Black Lotus - it’s called supply and demand. Low supply, high demand → high prices.
On Righteous Orb - it’s called supply and demand. High supply, low demand → low prices.

I would say those orb are kinda in demand but that debateable
Those two examples are a very good indicator of the situation and the reson i choose them to explain or show that problem.
Black lotus is very expensive, because it in high demand and they are quit limited. Because of the inflation the cost more and more ( relating to classic wow in the past, there was never a blacklost for 200 gold ).
The orbs on the other hand can be grindet 24/7 and because bots in other farming player (china farmers) farm them for gold the are abundant. Even with the inflation.

@Ashreon-mirage-raceway

See, if I was an RMT company and I’m not here’s the economic impact of me boosting vs not.
Boost:
1x Subscription ~ 12€
1x Boost ~ 50€

No Boost:
1x Subscription ~12€

Here’s how that impacts your profits.
Let’s go with a standard 1k Gold ~ 25€

Boosted:
Roughly 2,5 purchases required before I have earned back in the money.

• Delayed profits

Not Boosted:
I have earned back the money I spend on a subscription twice over.

• Immediate profits.

Also:
Boosted:
1 Subscription
1 Boost
62€

Not Boosted
6 Subscriptions
60€

more wasted time…

@Ashreon-mirage-raceway

If you can have 6 bots running around vs 1, which would you choose? Really.
Scale that up. If you could have 600 bots running around vs 100, which would you choose?

You should have delted that… This is proof that you really should not talk about that. Why not just boost 600 then ? or 1000 ? What is limiting you ?
What is the difference between a bot that is boostet that is 58 and that is lvled ? The lvltime on the one hand and the price for the boost on the other.
So there is just one thing whe have to consider here,Mr. Gates. Can we make more profit to outweigh the cost in the time it takes to lvl a bot.

@Ashreon-mirage-raceway

No, I wouldn’t because you guys don’t understand very basic economy and business models so…

Really, are we ?

I did the math in another post for you but i will make it again here for you:

25 Euro for 1k
Bot farms 50-60g /hours = 55g median
23h/day BRD (1 hour downtime a day)
23x55= 1265g = 31,625 euro ----> thats just one day
so its 37h for 50 Euro wich is the only cost ( because sub fee is for both). After 37h the bot makes profit.
So now you have to compare how long a bot solo take to get to lvl 58 to those 37 hours( because he gets boosted its money loss or opportunity cost, because your other charakters are not farming gold they boost the new bot).
So can you lvl a bot from scratch solo in 37 hours to lvl 58 ? —> No

This is something that you could have known if you would use the time to watch that video btw.
I will not insult you here or tell you that you dont know stuff, you owned yourself here pretty good here i have to admit ^^

[Spierbundel-bloodfang]

hyperbole

/hʌɪˈpəːbəli/

noun

1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

Sounds right to me.

[Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords]

Yeah, except nothing I wrote was an exaggeration.

If you open the door for cash shop microtransactions, pay-to-win and paid convenience features, complete monetisation of all aspects is the inevitable conclusion

[Spierbundel-bloodfang]

Remember what dottie wrote about assumptions

[Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords]

You mean the post where I corrected her? Yeah I remember.

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords

If you open the door for cash shop microtransactions, pay-to-win and paid convenience features, complete monetisation of all aspects is the inevitable conclusion

It is easy to proof that this is a thing. Just look up WoW history and see for yourself… and if your are very adventurous you can compare playernumbers to fetures in the cashshop.
It actually eyeopening

That is not to you Lorran its for anyone who wants proof of it.

[Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords]

Though he’s right of course, I was ‘kind-of’ using hyperbole - just don’t tell him I said that, I’ll only deny it

What I was actually doing, if you want to be technical about it, was using a technique called ad absurdum. It’s a very effective tactic, and one that’s commonly used in court rooms to extrapolate a point into a realm where even unlikely become conceivable, and thus likely conclusions appear more solid.

Obviously boosts probably won’t lead to buyable epics, or someone playing the game for them - but L70 boosts, WoW Tokens, even attunement passes are certainly not unlikely further down the line.

[Homosapien-gandling]

@Jóôló-drakthul

I would agreed with you buuuuut
All of those old expansion already happend and we already know how lvling is what to expect many people just wants to do some dungeons and raids

But the thing is, these “classic” games were supposed to be authentic to the original ones. That’s why we got Classic in the first place, people were fed up by all the Retail QoL changes, boosts, store services etc. All these features are opposite to what the games used to be and in many players eyes what ruined the game.
People wanted to experience the game without Blizzard holding their hand throughout the journey.

And like I said. In the original games leveling is supposed to be a long time-consuming journey, including vanilla content. It’s the first step before you could do engame stuff. That is the way it was designed. Having a level boost doesn’t make any sense at all in terms of authenticity.

If blizzard were to only offer the boost to players who had a 58+ in the original game, then it wouldn’t really affect the authenticity as much. I would probably be ok with that.

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords

What I was actually doing, if you want to be technical about it, was using a technique called ad absurdum. It’s a very effective tactic, and one that’s commonly used in court rooms to extrapolate a point into a realm where even unlikely become conceivable, and thus likely conclusions appear more solid.

interessting way of arguing, i will look this up. Thanks for that.
Imagine learning something from beeing in the wow forum lel

[Kemurai-argent-dawn]

@Homosapien-gandling

hat’s why we got Classic in the first place, people were fed up by all the Retail QoL changes, boosts, store services etc.

As far as I’m aware, most people wanted classic for the “community + gameplay”
The store services etc had nothing to do with it.
Since retail, you can do most things solo rather than classic requiring groups for most things.

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Kemurai-argent-dawn

As far as I’m aware, most people wanted classic for the “community + gameplay”
The store services etc had nothing to do with it.
Since retail, you can do most things solo rather than classic requiring groups for most things.

Good point, the community aspect and the allmost lobbynature of wow is a big reason, but to make a great point here you should inclued the “not wanting the shop”.
Iam not sure if someone explained that but the essence of all this talk about classic is actually that “old school mmorpg” mindset. A time where those games where hard(er) and you are a nobody. Yo have to earn everything yourself and pull your own weight. Thats what made those games great ( for the people who enjoyed that).
Retail shifted in the opposite way in progression and gamedesigne. So you are now a demigod that has to save the wolrd or universe every 18-24 month. And everything you can ever want is eather a couple hours or a servicefee away.

[Kemurai-argent-dawn]

@Khørus-venoxis

Good point, the community aspect and the allmost lobbynature of wow is a big reason, but to make a great point here you should inclue the “not wanting the shop”.

I never really see anything about the shop from the people wanting classic.
It was mostly around the gameplay around retail and how the gear becomes irrelevant in the next tier(which honestly sucks, nighthold DH tier was awesome for example)

@Khørus-venoxis

Retail shifted in the opposite way in progression and gamedesigne. So you are now a demigod that has to save the wolrd or universe every 18-24 month. And everything you can even want is eather a couple hours or a servicefee away.

You don’t want to save uhh… Azeroth from the jailor? xD
The lore in retail has plummeted since MoP and they keep digging deeper lol.

[Dotdog-argent-dawn]

Sounds like you’ve never actually played on any of the servers and are just making blanket statements; many of them were very functional throughout all content, actually.

Topkek #MeSoMadCozMeWantToBeTopDog

[Khørus-venoxis]

@Kemurai-argent-dawn

You don’t want to save uhh… Azeroth from the jailor? xD

oh its the jailor this time… sure ^^
Love to see we have some common ground.

@Kemurai-argent-dawn

It was mostly around the gameplay around retail and how the gear becomes irrelevant in the next tier

yeah and lvling is actually not that important in retail anymore, no wonder a boost is fine in retail, cuz retail is about the endgame.
Mop is a good estamate when it starts to shift, yeah i can see that too.

you see want we are about when it comes to classic and how different those games are. Thank you for sticking around.

[Pettaz-the-maelstrom]

The moment you can tell someone has lost the argument is when they stop engaging with the issue and start doing insults.

[Spierbundel-bloodfang]

@Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords

Though he’s right of course, I was ‘kind-of’ using hyperbole - just don’t tell him I said that, I’ll only deny it

Why this attitude? You were patronizing some poster cause he called out your hyperbole and then this…?

[Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords]

I have no idea what you are referring to.

[Spierbundel-bloodfang]

@Bubbleteä-kazzak

haha nice hyperbole kid, you seem overly mad, you should probably take a break from your computer

@Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords

Maybe you should look up the meaning of words before trying to use them.

@Lorran-hydraxian-waterlords

Though he’s right of course, I was ‘kind-of’ using hyperbole - just don’t tell him I said that, I’ll only deny it

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