This is with sub… if i was using assassination my damage would be apparantly 50% higher according to rogues and completely destroying what the dk can do even if I did sell out and use the “best” dk build despite my current being pretty close in terms of power anyway.
Looking a your gear and talents, you could do a whole lot better.
The dps difference between classes is not huge. None of the rogue classes are doing 50% more then the other.
The top specc in the game isn’t even doing 50% more dps then the lower ones.
99% of the reason why a specc can’t do something is due to player perception. Not actual numbers.
Frost gameplay could take some tweaking. And I feel moving it’s damage around abit would make the specc more flexible.
But I wouldn’t say it’s dps potiental needs growth. A lot of the classes above FDK are getting nerfed dps wise.
There are lots of reasons why you could be outdpsing ur DK with a brand new rogue. You could have simply been luckier with stat priority in drops You got, or you could just maybe naturally play rogue much closer to its skill ceiling.
This is the equivilent of saying there IS a problem with the class you know… if talents are not straightforward and intuitive to pick then why are they even there? at that point they are an impairment, not a benefit and the prime reason the original talent system was on a whole other level.
It is not, in the end, about wether the class can theoretically do a certain number but rather what the average of the class is with all talents taken into account thus why i decided to weigh what one might consider the worst most simplistic possible rogue build with a fairly average dk build/gear.
Always remember, if a talent feels like it is a requirement, always ask yourself why it is not baseline as it should be.
I think it’d be rather boring if all talent choices were obvious when you first look at them. Talents often see situational play. You’d see something like a 5% overall increase by picking optimal talents in your case.
Honestly, your gear is just bad. If you went out and got some nice benthic gear, you could increase your raid dps by 20%. Some better azerite essences would also greatly help.
Trust me, frost dk isn’t a bad dps class.
I’m not saying they should be obvious, i’m saying they should not be weighing up something along the lines of a direct 20% damage increase vs theoretically dealing 50% more if you have gear piece X, talent choices abc, Y level on your necklace and azerite traits D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K and L.
That is just an unreasonable way to balance the talent tree, when you take a bonus from it, you should be directly feeling the benefit of it rather than not feeling it but technically doing more damage.
my real concern is not the overall dps of the frost dk alone but rather a combination of the entire spec, in fact the only reason i was even stuck still playing the dk is because everything i liked about my original paladin was removed from the game and the hunter i rerolled to for legion has kinda been destroyed also…
So quite frankly no, i’m not going to go out of my way to get specific things for a spec that i don’t even like playing but am stuck with because they removed the style of the alternatives.
Bring back 2 handed Frost Dk’s in fact for gods sake in the next expansion make dk’s better. The theme is great, the looks and styles are good but why was 2H ever removed ?? we want our burst back !!
They need to bring back 2H frost, I don’t know why they took it away
I loved it before where you could choose to either be 2H or DW where Killing Machine procs would affect your obliterate and frost strike where if you were 2H you’d prioritise obliterate and DW frost strike.
Blizzard are doing good and bringing even more customisation to Shadowlands! Choosing to be a 2H class or a DW class is an amazing (if not the best) way of customising your character to be how you’d like it to be. Cosmetic customisation is great but customising the gameplay of how you play your character would be incredible! #wishlist
I would love to see this also with Enhancement shamans, but I’d settle with it being just for DKs tbh.
Honesty im having fun with my Frost DK. The azerite traits are not the best for sure but i kinda enjoy it. My hopes are that some of those azerite traits become extra talent tree options. With all those traits they could easily create 2 or 3 new rows or something. Idk we will see what shadowlands brings.
As for dps well Honestly I don’t think we are that bad. Not the best but mediocre.