Agreed /w OP
What a bad take. Luckily they already stated that most ppl like current gearing system so it won’t change.
I really don’t understand the reason behind having that opinion. Is it the MMO mindset of “number go up”?
People say they work their “way up the ladder by improving their gear” incase they are unable (?) to increase their skill? Not to mention I feel that a rating gain based on gear is unjustified, I don’t even say it happening.
To climb to, lets say 1,8k rating, you will likely encounter people that are already on that rating, already upgraded their gear, already are supposedly “better” at the game (because higher rating) and that somehow also justifies a numerical advantage.
An upgrading gearsystem must be even worse for people with less skill (or new players), because they not only have to overcome a skill/knowledge gap, but a numerical gap aswell.
I got a tinfoil hat theory that those changes back to upgradable gear are made by either:
People who just want to go godmode in BGs against some victims.
Boosters that want their revenue to go up.
People who don’t understand what they are asking for.
People who have no intrinsic motivation to play the game/improve whatsoever and need a carrot.
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First of all you talking absolute s*it, normal 3s dead because of shuffle, secondly why u even talking about rating pvp if u never seen 1.5k in normal 3s? Return to your cave and sit there plz.
If your fun exclusively comes at the expense of other peoples fun that isnt a very good game design now is it? You can always enable warmode n look for fresh 60´s just arriving in DF if thats your form of entertainment. I personally want to see BG item lvls scaled up to a decent level to prevent fresh 70´s from arriving with 200k hp n getting oneshot by the 9 MM hunters on the enemy team. There should of course still be a reason to obtain honor gear so perhaps scale all item levels up to lvl 405 or something. They would still get obliterated by anyone in conquest however but atleast it´d remove the “afk till you´re full honor gear” game loop that is fundamentally terrible gameplay.
Alternatively add more open world warmode sources of aquiring drakebreaker and honor gear.
i want conquest boxes =(
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Equipment doesn’t have to matter as much in pvp, and as it stands right now, it’s perfect. If you are looking for constant team progression, then you have the pve, there you are going to have the constant progression you are looking for.
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Bla bla bla, who said anything about “exclusively”? It was a nice little reward for getting rating in arena, now rating is pretty much useless so whatever.
If this is what matters to you, just go kill low level mobs or pve in general, sounds like it’d provide the same, as you’re evidently not interested in players being able to fight back.
Push higher rating, and you’ll get better rewards, surely if you care for pvp, what matters is the tense and equal matchups, and not just pressing 123 and winning due to outgearing?
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You all do get that the OP is Vinzora, right? It’s one of his many, MANY swaps of forum avatars, for some weird schizophrenic reason.
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But pve mobs dont rush to the forums, foaming at their mouth, making whiny posts about getting destoryed by better players, so that makes it a lot less fun.
Currently getting rating doesn’t affect your player power at all, so I don’t know what are even talking about. And what “care about pvp” is even supposed to mean, I care for pvp in a sense I like getting good gear and then kill people who can’t push rating for whatever reason, that’s pvp too. Sorry but you don’t get to decide what’s pvp and what’s not.
Imo there’s a difference between “getting destroyed by a better player” that outplays you and running someone into the ground with a gear difference. We saw it in SL, RBG farmers running low cr arenas and random bgs into the ground. We also saw it, even more extreme, in Classic Classic, raiders stomping through BGs and WPvP like they owned the place.
I’d be fine with a gear imbalance in random BGs, cause honestly who gives a damn, but rated content should be kept as pure as possible.
Thats fair if thats what you want from the game, that doesn’t mean the rated scene has to be balanced to cater to people who like oneshotting bots in green gear.
I really have a hard time to understand the POV of people who derive enjoyment from running over people who have a very slim chance of fighting back.
I do however kinda get enjoyment from destroying some overgeared bastard who thinks I’m an easy kill when I’m on a lowgeared alt. But it stops being fun when the gap is so huge that he starts killing me with autoattacks.
They aren’t exactly dying because of shuffle. They are dying because of their design, that doesn’t fit anymore in 2023.
But… rated pvp hasn’t been about gear for a long time now? Even in SL with upgrade system, you got upgrades AFTER you got the rating, meaning everyone had to fight uphill battle against people with better (or at least equal) gear to get to their reward of being able to upgrade their gear.
And the enjoyment of running over people with worse gear comes from the fact that power of my character was “earned”. I played arena, I tried to get rating, I improved, I upgraded my gear. My reward is that my character is more powerful now and has an upper hand against anyone who didn’t bother with that. That’s like the absolute core of mmorpg genre… Putting time and effort into your character so it becomes a hero.
Fair pvp that’s all about skill, setting up 120 macros, watching guides and videos, mirroring pro players, learning your rotation by heart until you can perform it with eyes closed, memorising all classes abilties, setting up perfect UI and 234 addons is OK but at the core this game is mmorpg, not moba or FPS shooter. Sometimes I want to just queue into BG and shoot noobs with my OP gear, because I earned it.
Sounds like you should stick to only PvE. In PvP, even in MMORPG, it’s about team composition and execution. That’s all. You get better by playing better, if you want gear differences then stick to unrated.
You can still do that. Not everybody in unrated got conquest gear or tier sets. If you still can’t “shoot noobs”, then perhaps it’s because you’re one of the noobs, hmm?
Sounds like you like to present opinions as facts. PvP in WoW has been about gear more than it wasn’t, even now with conquest, crafted gear and enchants it still is to some extent.
I think you missed the fact that every backpeddler can get BiS pvp gear now, hmm?
Doesn’t mean they have it. So if you struggle, then maybe you should get better?
It totally means they have it more often than in SL, which is the point that you completely missed. I guess you are trying a bit too hard to belittle me, to the point you stopped making sense.
Why is it always people hiding behind classic or inactive chars who act so though and agressive?
Look, you keep trying to circle around and avoid it, but the core of your argument is that you’re not PvPing to compete. So why do you PvP? It sounds more like empty wish fulfillment than anything else, by “shooting noobs”.
And are you SERIOUSLY arguing that it’s the AMOUNT of people with worse gear that you’re upset about? Holy 
that’s petty.