Of course gear starts to matter when you have massive gaps like in SL. It might feel fine if you are an insane player, sure I’ll destroy some 1,8k geared dude (SL Time) in honor gear. It doesn’t matter to me if they ret has big gear if I leave him standing center map with all his cds up and nothing to hit.
But for they average player it straightup sucks, they have to now overcome a gear and a skill-difference to advance.
I undertand that to some extend. I got a similar POV.
For me, MMO gameplay is not about “number go up”, for me it’s crafting my character to have a somewhat unique build, customization of stats to fit my playstyle. Like going gigacrit on Warlock for fun, or going full haste, or doing some weird mastery/haste glasscannon meme build.
But for me it’s completely irrelevant how I arrive at that build.
In the end I think I have a different view on that sentence
I earned it through being the better player, having better game knowledge, knowing precisely what my opponent wants to do, predicting when he wants to do it and throwing sticks and stones into his gameplan.
That’s also why I dislike gear having too great an impact in PVP, since it tends to compensate for inferior players. Guy with the bigger sticks can easier force my defensives, maybe even just kill through with enough of a difference, and his mistakes (due to higher HP pool etc.) is way harder to punish because the game doesn’t let me, and you can’t capitalize on an outplay as you normally should be able to.
Huh, I thought it was very obvious and I made it pretty clear from the first post in this thread, I don’t pvp to “compete” I dont give a crap about ranks, I only get them to get better gear so that my character grows and becomes stronger so then I can go to bgs or world pvp and have fun killing people who didn’t put that effort into their characters.
I guess you like participation prizes and you think giving everyone best gear for free is awesome, maybe you couldn’t get duelist in SL and felt bad you can’t compete? I dont know, hard to say, but I guess there must be a reason why you are hiding your armory…? My guess is you are very insecure with your pvp accomplishments, would explain why you are so hostile.
Which is exactly why PvP isn’t for you. It isn’t made for you. You’re not the target audience, when you’re not even playing to compete. Competition is the fundamental of PvP, doesn’t matter that it’s MMORPG, it’s the fundamental of ALL PvP. To compete, trying to win. That’s what makes PvP PvP.
Just stick to PvE where you belong and stop complaining about competitive-based designs, mkay.
i mean if thats whats “fun” to you i dont mind it but from a competetive standpoint and from a standpoint that involves all players it does not make sense to let a minority like you have fun stomping on lower geared players and ruining their starting experience.
its just bad for the overall pvp participation and enjoyment.
I personally love the new gearing system and that im able to atleast semi compete with just honor gear. It makes me play the game alot more.
Wow, you are trying really hard to play fun police here. Sorry sweetheart but you don’t get to decide what’s pvp and what isn’t, and what I can or cannot enjoy.
I never even said I don’t like current pvp in WoW. It’s just I liked SL setup more. You don’t have to agree, but trying to go all rambo with your “PVP ISNT FOR YOU BECAUSE I KNOW BETTER WHAT IT SHOULD BE” is frankly quite pathetic.
But like I said, insecure poster trying to be “controversial”. Go hide behind your lvl 60 cupcake, let big boys talk, mmkay?
I don’t recall seeing many whiny posts, just people mentioning it’s a silly system in a rated pvp experience, for bgs you’re still facing undergeared people quite often, so your pve bg experience hasn’t changed much, yet here you are, whining on the forums you cant destroy people anymore, ironic.
Because it’s not meant to, and the few times it did, majority of the pvp community were against it, hence it got changed back, also why PvE items tend to get nerfed quickly in pvp.
Correct, but its PvP for a reason, not PvE, so far you’ve only really expressed wanting a pve experience, and it just so happens that Blizzard listened to the majority when it came to bringing it back to what it used to be, so I guess it has been decided.
A cute thing to say, considering the “big boi” is crying he cant pve in pvp.
PvP means player vs player, not whatever arbitrary rule you conjure up in your head to support what you like or not. Item upgrades don’t constitute something as pve or pvp content.
Also, people expressing their opinions isn’t crying, if we all followed your logic I would have to say you are crying that someone likes other apporach at pvp gearing.
You are really making no sense with your “pve experience” rant, where did I say I want to pve? I want to play rated content to get better pvp gear for unrated content, where is pve in all this? Did you even think about what you are saying or just vomitted out buzz words like “pve” because you want freebie welfere gear and no character progression in pvp?
I’m not making up any rules, I’m going by what the game is, and for the majority of its lifespan always has been, you on the other hand, try argue PvP is about gear upgrades based off of a short period of time, where the majority asked for it to be changed back.
You -literally- claimed people were whining further up, I’m going by your own logic to begin with.
The fact you also on the same thread claim you want to 123 undergeared people, that are unable to actually fight back, you quite literally keep describing wanting to do pve in unranked PvP, which you can still do in BGs.
I’m making plenty of sense, you’re just too dense to accept you’re looking for mindless pve in a pvp scene.
It’s a bit moot for you to bring up welfare gear, considering you’re the one of us that care about gear over skill, evidence of that is all over the thread.
As for character progression, in a PvP environment I’d argue that comes in the form of unique elite cosmetics, Gladiator mount, tabards, titles.
If you want gear progression for an advantage, you know where to look
You keep applying your PvE logic and somehow think it makes sense for it to be designed that way in PvP.
What do you think rating is? You said earlier in the thread:
so I’m just going to assume you don’t understand that rating is a constant feedback displaying when you’ve improved as a player. It shows you when you improve, by competing and winning more, which makes your rating improve. That’s what rating does. It determines your placement in the ladder, and throws more and more difficult opponents your way for you to keep improving against.
It’s literally player progression.
But since you don’t play to compete, which, as explained already, is a fundamental principle of ALL PVP, doesn’t matter that it’s MMORPG PvP, PvP is still PvP. It’s about beating the opposite player(s), that’s what makes it PvP. It’s a criteria for it to even be called PvP to begin with. In other words, it’s about competing.
Also, by the way:
Ever heard of check-pvp? Also, you can’t “hide” your armory. You can just turn off the shortcut link from the forum profile to the armory. You and Vinzora truly are like two peas in a pod.
It’s funny and sad how you and Vinzora keep providing facepalm moments.
Fundamental principle of all PVP, lol, give me a break with your nonsense.
Fundamental principle of all PVP is players fighting versus other players. Everything else isn’t fundamental or whatever you want it to be, it’s just a matter of preference. You want to play for rating, then good for you, I’m not gonna tell you that’s pointless and stupid, even if I think it is. As long as it’s two players playing against each other, it’s PVP.
And yeah, artifical number isn’t a player progression no matter how twisted logic you try to apply to this. If I play RPG I want my character to grow stronger over time, not have bis gear after one week of doing arena.
Sorry but no, you aren’t making sense. You keep talking about PVE when discussion is about PVP, I think you need some reading comprehension lectures.
PVE in unraked BGs? What? PVE means player versus enviroment. There are almost no NPCS in bgs, you play versus other players. The objective is to defeat other players. Players. Versus. Players. Why you keep talking about PvE? What’s wrong with you?
You quite literally, speak about wanting to be able to go into BGs and just pve away, your goal isn’t pvp, if it was, your biggest interest wouldn’t be “feeling like a god”, you might’ve not used the very word pve, but what you describe, is no different than hitting an NPC, and as we’ve heard from you on the thread, the moment people in BGs are a bit of a challenge, big boi Solaran goes to forums to cry.
There is absolutely no difference in going into a BG with a big gear advantage, turning your brain off and pressing your 123 rotation to “shred everyone”, so for all purposes, you might aswell just be a PvE’er, because time and time again, in this thread, you make it clear your interest is not actually PvP’ing, it’s “shredding” and “feeling like a god” on a newly dinged which is equivalent to a mob. (In other words, basically PvE content!)
If you cared about being good at PvP, or just PvP in general, wouldn’t it make more sense to go for the experience that relies on you being able to outskill them? Y’know, like pushing rating and ranks, to face better players.
And how are you gonna call Beware insecure, when you’re so insecure about your own skill in pvp, that you need to rely on gear advantages.
I literally don’t? Do you know the meaning of the word literally? I haven’t said a word about PVE, it’s you trying to to define a pvp system gearing as pve, which is very cringe. PvP is player versus player. Even footing or it being competitive or not isn’t a defining factor. What I’m describing is very different from hitting NPC, because there are players with different set of gear and skill, different builds, being steered by human being. Just because I want gear progresseion doesn’t turn it into pve suddenly. Literally (See? That’s how you use this word).
Difference is big, because noobs and low geared alts still try to fight back which makes it fun. They aren’t scripted, and BGs will also have other good players with good gear, so it’s never a complete faceroll. Bad geared players can still make some impact with correct use of cc or playing for objectives. So yes, my interest is PvP, preferably with Shadowlands systems where I was rewarded for being good with good pvp gear I could use to shred noobs in PVP. There is nothing PVE about it. I want pvp system that rewards me with pvp gear. Hope you understand now.
In SL system after you hit 2100 in arena, pvp was all about skill, so yes, that’s the system I prefer. If you couldn’t hit 2100 because of “gear” then you didn’t belong in competitive arena anyway.
I’m sorry but I will call people hiding their mains behind classic alts because they are so scared of meanie meanies on the internet commenting on their ratings all I want.
Also who said I’m insecure about my own skill? The system I want is the Shadowlands one, that rewards you for skill in arena, were you even paying attention? To me it looks like you are the one who is insecure about his skill, because you prefer a system that rewards everyone with equal gear, no matter your skill. The fact that you are posting from classic alt kinda hints at your insecurites too.
