This has been argued front and back hundreds of times in the months leading up to Patch 8.0 release and the months immedietely afterward. It comes down to the fact that there is no way to replicate the challenge of doing Mage Tower scenarios in World of Warcraft Legion because World of Warcraft Legion no longer exists. The itemization is different, classes are different, even the core combat system is different. And will become even more different with every subsequent expansion release. Asking to preserve the Mage Tower in its Legion state is essentially asking for dedicated Legion servers, a third separate version of the game alongside Retail and Classic, just so you personally and a relative handful of others can get some cosmetic stuff you didn’t get when it was current.
With the use of sharding, and the level squish coming to Shadowlands this can be done quite easily, let alone the same way that proving grounds take you to dedicated fight, challenges like this can use the same.
You argument is moot
No. Simply scaling down your stats to the same levels they had in a previous expac does not preserve the challenge of that expansion’s content. My Paladin can do the Proving Grounds tanking scenario pretty much indefinetly until I fall asleep or get dc’d. I’m pretty sure that wasn’t a thing in MoP. There is a reason why Proving Grounds was never revisited and at this point, unless you played back in MoP, chances are you don’t even know they exist. Ask anyone that has done TBC heroics back in the day if Timewalking is comparable to that, you’ll make them laugh out loud. And you don’t even have to go that far, I remember doing WoD Heroics during the Legion lifecycle and those were already WAY harder than WoD Timewalking. The entire game changes with every expansion. The core combat system changes with every expansion. Hit, parry, expertise, threat… These are things that work completely differently to what they were a decade ago or are flat out not in the game any more. Even just transitioning from Legion to BfA you had a complete rework of how Armor works, GCD changes and changes to how shield tanks work. And that’s just the core combat system, you then have to take into account class changes. All specs change every expac. Several specs play significantly different than how they did in Legion. Going back an expansion or two further back, some specs didn’t even exist like Outlaw or the current Survival. You can’t expect to replicate the challenge of a game that literally does not exist. And don’t get me started on seasonal stuff like Essences, Azerite or Corruption. I can’t even begin to imagine how trivial the tanking challenge would be with Echoing Void and Twilight Devastation, even scaled down to oblivion. And whatever comes in Shadowlands will be completely different still.
Scaling down stats works for Timewalking because Timewalking is a bit of casual fun and goofing around, not a means of actually preserving the feel and mechanics of previous expansions. Scaling stats down like Timewalking and Proving Grounds doesn’t work for ‘preserving the challenge’ of the Mage Tower. Suggesting that bares how little you understand about the game’s underlying mechanics. To actually ‘preserve the challenge’ you would have to keep Legion frozen on a separate server and there is no way you can justify the amount of work and money needed for that to happen. Otherwise the content will be significantly different and most likely trivial no matter what scaling technology you apply.
Your points are valid here but i would like for others to be able to get those skins the so covet but not without some form of a challenge.
All your points about shifting balance is an issue that is repeated every expansion and even patch the current cycle being corruption lottery. This challenge and artifact issue as well as pvp battles screams that they require a constant stat block and then the challenge is only skill dependent. This way you can preserve the challenge for years to come and there is no reason they cant do it now when they bring these challenges back.
This will require so development time, something they are very stringent about but will make many players happy as well as create a system for challenges to remain challenges.
You are correct with your points but they can be addressed.
The only question those against allowing the skins to return need to ask is why do they care so much that others get those skins as well later down the lone? And why they put so much of their self worth into them?
I’ve just settled with there being something every expansion that you can’t get. The mage tower apperances is one of the few things I actually have, but as I said I’ve just settled with the rest not being obtainable. It’s not like it’s a lot of things. It’s just a few things every expansion. So yeah, I don’t see any point in bringing them back, but rather have new things added.
No. Keep challenge mode gear and weapons back where they were and relevant. What they need to do is make more content like it, with more cool rewards.
just a Question: WHY THE FCK GOT FERAL AND TANK SO NICE SKINS? AND MOONKIN JUST GOT A STUPID WEAPON? WHERE ARE THE MOONKIN SKINS?
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You guys are all missing the point. It’s fine if you played in Legion and got those skins, but there’s no reason to lock out new players from ever attaining them.
I think they should enable getting the skins again (a different method perhaps) or just add them to the cash shop.
You Legion folks will still have your Feat of Strength achievements to differentiate between us, newer druid players. This way everyone’s happy, no?
No.
They said it will be unobtainable after legion. Nobody cares about any feat of strength but i will take the tmogs not everyone can get. That was the whole point of the mage tower.
The last thing we need is putting it on for irl money lol.
They should make new challenges for new tmogs in shadowlands and leave old ones alone.
How would putting it on for money make anyone happy but you. Definitely not the people who actually played in legion and worked for those skins…
I cant get the MoP tmog that i really love the look of but i accepted it long time ago. It is a special reward for those who played back then.
I suggest you do the same thing and leave it be.
If it’s personally affecting you that someone else is enjoying the game with a cool transmog, you’re probably not looking at WoW as a game where you are meant to have fun.
The way things are going, they will be adding unique transmogs to the shop soon. I’d rather they instead added old, timegated transmogs to the shop rather than new, unique looks. Since transmog don’t affect gameplay, adding them to the shop benefits new players and Blizzard ($$$).
Going by your logic, people who had Thunderfury in Vanilla wasted their time because now everyone can get them for transmog?
It seems like it is you who it is affecting since you are the one who doesnt let ppl who worked for it enjoy their rewards 
Mate, you’re missing the point again. That’s because it IS affecting me, through the fact I cannot have those forms. I have no problem with other people having them, like I mentioned I’d be happy if everyone could get them. You’re now defending timegated content, something no one likes in WoW.
It’s like saying “I’m perfectly healthy, so healthcare costs shouldn’t decrease”. There are others who it does affect and you’re turning a blind eye on this.
It affects me as i said i cant get the mop cm set since i didnt play back then. But it is an achievement for those playing back then. Like the title you cant get anymore if you played at certain times. Like you just cant get some things anymore. It was always in the game.
But what is wrong about having some timegated content and giving unique things to the playerbase? To make those who played then feel a bit more special.
They said it is limited so it should stay that way.
But my biggest objection was against buying tmogs with money. Might as well put up everything for money then right? All transmogs all toys and mounts. If you dont want to work for it you can open your wallet.
This should not be a thing ever. It is already annoying enough they put on all the nice mounts for money.
If they give anything whatsoever back they would lie to the playerbase. Giving them something unique and then saying oh soz we lied now everyone can get it again.
I get your point because im somewhat in the same shoes but now how about you also try to understand the other side and maybe then you would understand why it should not happen…or you know, dont.
WTF are u Talking mate. we already pay Monthly for this game and u want to put more Things into this ridiculous ingame shop? are u serious? god damn
They already have unique mounts in the store, they’ll be adding unique transmogs soon. I’d prefer old transmogs than new ones in the shop.
Blizzard is not a person… A company doesn’t lie, they re-align their goals to increase user engagement and maximize profits. For example: We’ll never release Vanilla again, it will split the playerbase and reduce development time on retail. Fast forward a bit and there’s WoW Classic bringing insane revenue.
It’s just a matter of time at this point and I’d rather have it sooner than later.
if they do so they have to make the game FOR FREE !
Blizzard cant get their Money from both Systems. other mmorpgs have either Monthly Sub or ingame shop for transmogs. but to have both is just FCKING GREEDY ! and they should get slapped for this!
Yeah, but for all its flaws, WoW is still the best MMORPG and the industry leader…
true, but if they go too far with this greedy behavior i give a fck About this game. and quit. GREED IS THE WORST !
Don’t worry, I’ll buy the Druid Mage Tower appearances to make up for you leaving WoW 