For the record I didn’t lose any item I wanted this is a buildup of watching people getting shafted from players who explot a broken system. I’ve led raids with people and accidentally given item’s to those who lose a roll and open up a trade window (my mistake I know).
I’m saying the current system should be a shared loot pool (and sure throw in some duplicate item prevention and quality of life too). As the way it is not encourages toxic behaviour.
What people don’t get is what i’m aiming at, the people who deliberatly trade to get items becasue they want it for themselves and don’t want to give it to anyone else. This isn’t the player who got the items fault most of the time because they usually don’t give a crap who trades them they just want to leave.
Also what I don’t get is that everyone here agrees that having an end to M+ with everyone rolling is preferable. What i’m saying is why don’t we just standardize what we are already doing to cut out the other stuff.
This works out for everyone except for boosters and friends who have agreed to share the loot for themselves.
Now let me ask you all this:
Would you join a group where they openly said “Hey guys we are giving all the loot to this guy” and you need that loot? Heck no! Like you would say “Well he can do what he wants its his loot”, you would find another group!
No one has agreed that having a mythic plus ending with everyone rolling is preferable.
No one has said that here, actually.
If you’re so bent out of shape about how loot is distributed, blizzard has given you recourse, start your own group. If you refuse to do that then you don’t get to complain about the loot system.
Exactly, they don’t get how extremly generous people are by giving their loot. They do it because they’re just kind, but some people like the other one (who thinks we owe them everything and it’s natural…) disgust me and could makes me be just a little selfish for once and stop giving my loots.
Plus, people in groups are extremly impolite and without any education. They can’t say “hello”, “thanks” “please” “bye”, etc… They think others are their slaves and just deserve… the worst.
By the way, how can there possibly is any ninja loot with the actual system of personal loot ?
You have 0 right over an item which isn’t yours. The player decides what to do with it. He can keep it or give it away to who ever he chooses. Stop complaining over something which you don’t own.
I am in the support of a personal loot all the way.
You know, in Classic, because reserving is frowned upon, people just compose groups in which they are the only contender for their desired item. If I can’t straight up give this str/agi trinket to my melee friend - whose gearing is the only reason I am doing the key to begin with - if I loot it, then I suppose the group will mysteriously consist of myself, my friend and three clothies who cannot need on it.
It doesn’t matter have they won the roll or not. This is a pug group and not a guild one. The item is still the player’s so he decides in the end what happens to it. He may not trade it to any of the rolling participants and destroys/sells/disenchants if he so wishes. I repeat the item is HIS.
Ok this is my last post here becasue i’m losing faith that people are getting what i’m putting out. I’m not saying I should have rights to everything that drops holy crap if people think that what i’m saying i’ve lost faith in humanity.
Group loot while imperfect yes but it gives people a chance to roll on things regardless of what they do with it. Most if not all M+ usually end with people rolling anyway and when it dosen’t its usually becasue of what i’m pointing out.
I ask again:
Would you join a group where they openly said “Hey guys we are giving all the loot to this guy” and you need that loot? Heck no! Like you would say “Well he can do what he wants its his loot”, you would find another group!
Most of the arguments here are “Well this is the way the system works so deal with it”. Which arn’t arguments at all. I’m not saying that within this system I should get everyhing I want like holy cow really???
As @Yeetheart said I’d not even invite you in a first place if I think your class will compete over an item I want. So I will create the group exactly the way @Yeetheart described.
People like personal group and that is it. I see a lot of complains about the greed/need system for LFR specifically. I don’t see the same happening for personal loot.
Ok thats it from me, I wanted to argue that group loot is preferable and somehow it devolved into brainlets thinking i’m entitled to other people’s loot even though group loot gives less autonomy.
If people like personal loot its fine I still think group loot is better. Peace.
No ive been shown that people don’t understand my argument.“Your not entitled to other people’s loot” is not an argument for personal loot its people thinking i’m saying should get all the loot. And the loop continues.
I even agreed with the two posts that were actually on topic and still think group loot should be changed as well as the M+ loot system upgraded. If someone could square the circle of how group loot is selfish I will eat my boots.
People are already rolling for items in end M+ most of the time so it might as well be standardized
There are players who deliberatly trade with the explicit intent to take items before anyone else. This I consider ninja looting shoot me.
Guildies and boosters who reserve loot for their friends without telling anyone is toxic and should be addressed.
My solution: Group loot while imperfect is preferable in my opinion or even allowing the leader to choose between personal loot or group loot.
Anyone arguing that i’m selfish and or somehow think this is me whining about not getting some item needs their head examined. This also has nothing to do with RNG. I’m arguing that a current system needs to be changed and if anyone has anything to say about my points i’m all ears but if this loops I will just ignore it.
You’ve never had guildies or friends try to help you gear?
I’m not sure how it can be ‘ninja’ looting when it’s someone’s specific personal loot. They were given that item to do with how they please.
Ninja looting is pretty much impossible in Retail. The systems simply don’t allow it. We have GL where everyone eligible can roll and PL where we are individually awarded.
Ehh, I don’t know. Having everything on the roll means you can be denied that particular for way longer than we have now with current system. Right now, if it’s dropped for you once, it’s yours, and you can share, or trade, or just disenchant in front of that toxic groupie that never deserved it in the first space. With group loot, in a hostile group, you will have to roll and win twice in a row: first, for the drop to happen, second, to take it from others. In a friendly group, nothing changes. So, I reckon, it’s a worse gamble, generally speaking.
The issue with m+ specifically is that while normally in personal loot there is no competition between rolls as there is with group loot, its just will you get loot or will you not get loot per individual.
With m+ this is different because the max amount of droppable items is decided by how quick you complete a dungeon, this means that behind the scenes there is likely still a hidden competing roll going on to decide who gets these items, regardless of how they decide who gets the rewards based on how quick the dungeon was cleared; m+ personal loot is in this way inherently not like the other personal loots
Ideally they just scrap the x amount of loot at the end of run and just swap it to pure personal loot, an individual roll behind will you get gear or not.
is all about tho.