no one has a 41st outside ever
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idk. I’m expecting a lot of people to wipe to the cleave since there’s no way of verifying that the “safespot” that was established on pservers is accurate for Classic. Onyxia has proven that cleave and tail swipe work slightly different so there might be some nasty cleaves 
Whilst this is true, it’s no fun to raid without world buffs when everyone else around you has them - as you feel like you are doing 0 dmg comparativelly.
Zulp is gonna overaggro and wipe
i’m not saying it’s hardcore mode, neither getting worldbuffs mean “you’re hardcore” most of people get ony buff or felwood buff just for enjoyment, because with or without the extra dps out of those buffs, the raid will be face rolled anyway.
Wait, is this a boss that makes a shaman useful for something other than healing?
Main use for shaman is windfury
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People that think they’ll faceroll Vael, wait BWL release before talking ^^. If it’s like private server, I expect lot of guilds to chainwipe on this boss because tank and healers are dogs.
Vael wasnt already the hardest boss in BWL if you just stacked rogues. Back then we brought 7 rogues (which we considered stacking, usually brought 5 of each class) and that was enough to make quick werk of him.
Nowadays, so many rogues and mages on the DPS job that getting like 8 wont be a problem. Put on top of that 1.12 talents and Vaelestrasz will be a cakewalk for an average raidgroup.
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Some kronos pserver autist told me flask of petrification can be used to remove the debuff and survive with your world buffs intact.
Even if it works, it’ll cost you roughly 200g.
not a problem as long as bwl is the main raid tier
I still wouldn’t drop 200g, just so i don’t lose world buffs on Vael. But people who speedrun most likely will.
sure, but u should consider it for DMF weeks. it’s like 1 player being targeted by it, 200g/40 = 5g per week, make it DMF only and it’s 24/52*5 = 2.3g avg cost
Pservers overtuned everything, ragnaros had 4mil hp on several servers, he got like what, 1mil here?
Vael was never about “pumping out DPS”, but about Tank switches and threat management (as he cannot be taunted, and can wipe the raid if turned due to overaggro or a dead Tank).
Was especially hard when Tanks went mitigation and DPS had to hold back, lot easier today with Threat Tank Meta, but still requieres some finess ^^
But yeah, not like lack of DPS was what made the fight challenging…
Most Rogues will BS even if Combat, as one should have 3/3 in Improved BS just for Vael.
All our Rogues have Perditions Blade and ACLG already, waiting for that boss alone ^^
It is about pumping dps, so less people die and lose wbuffs so you have more dps for the rest of the instance.
There is also a boss in Mount Hijal (TBC) that has this guaranteed death mechanic btw. Just to clear up that Vael is not the only one that does this.
DM is basically mc items with blue colours, you dont think that 1 Month after launch is a nerf to bwl?
remind me, what changed between bwl patch and 1.12 for rogues?