Yep. Now set it up to 475 ilvl and you will see that Spriests scale up far better than Outlaw in single target.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying that you guys are amazing or anything like that. Just seems really weird when I see Spriests pretending like their spec is awful while really being fine for the most part.
So when a shadow priest finally gets 475 ilvl near the end of 8.3 they can look forward to going from 4th worst dps spec to 8th worst in both single and multi-target.
Mate I’ll tell you what. The website you linked seems to take pure class spells into account and nothing else so I wouldn’t take its data too seriously. The simple fact that they have Pyroblasts over Ignite as the most dmg for fire mages makes me believe they didn’t log with any essenses.
There’s two different… Angles, I’d guess you’d call it.
Those who do not have optimal gear, do not do damage, they’re upset about their performance but the cognitive dissonance required to accept 6 azerite traits can be 40k DPS is huge. That leads to threads like these.
Then you have my angle, people who are raiding mythic and seeing what, besides actual overall numbers, is valuable on these boss fights. Shadows damage when you’ve got the gear and are pumping is decent, but the spec is still bad because of how that damage is delivered, that’s what logs can’t show you. Shadow isn’t going to help you push a phase or kill an add or abuse a damage buff like in the final phase of a mythic Nzoth.
The way shadow deals it’s damage is very often just worse than specs with cooldowns. So even when the damage is comparable, the spec still isn’t that good.
Groups complain about everything, and take it from a MM hunter
The difference is that priest only has one dps spec, so it better be awesome instead of near the bottom. The same rule applies to demon hunters.
some one has to be, oh wait its MM
That’s not how things work, nor is it what we should expect. I’ll ask my question to you again.
Your character as it’s set up now on the armory, is that how you run it in raids and mythic plus? Those traits those talents those essences etc.
Yeah I get that. With fire also being completely trait and gear dependant I know the feeling of not having that optimal set up. Especially when you can log onto a dh alt and instantly be close to the top just by spamming your buttons.
So I guess all the data must be wrong then and you happily invite shadow priests to your party because of how good they are.
The biggest factor for fire now is how much masterful III you have. It’s actually absurd the difference.
Can you please answer the question itd go a long way to giving you a legitimate response on how to fix your issues that isn’t just complaining in gd.
Yes this is the best I’ve got at 452 ilvl and I do 22k dps in m+.
Well I don’t pug. Ever. But I don’t mind when running M+ with the guild to invite either of our 2 Shadow priests to the group.
Yep. That’s why I have these 430 pants still on. Still masterful III only gets reallly good if you have 3 x Blaster Master in your Azerite gear.
Ok then let’s go!
1: Despite having 450 ilvl which is “Passable” it’s mostly dragged up by high ilvl bad stat small items, while the items you actually need to be high ilvl (Weapon mostly) is pitifully low at 425.
2: Several of your talents are incorrect. Swap void torrent for lingering insanity and Shadow Crash for Auspicious Spirits. Void torrent is basically useless and LI is a frankly massive power increase once voidforms are rolling.
3: You are wearing a healing trinket. Replace it with a 400 ilvl compendium of storms from the AH.
4: Shadow relies so absurdly on haste and crit and you ideally need both on both ring slots, ideally almost everything but crit haste rings is super important, even if that means dropping 15-30 ilvl.
5: Some of your corruptions are doing literally nothing except making it harder for you. Namely avoidant and versatile, though with the amount of Vers you have (A bad thing) the versatile might be doing something.
6: Azerite. Yes it matters way way more than you can feasibly comprehend. Raiding will need 3x COI 2x SA 1x Whispers to really see good numbers. M+ either the same or something heavily favouring sear damage with thought harvester and 3 searing dialogue.
7: Essences. Basically the same as about azerite. These really, really matter.
What’s wrong with my azerite?
It’s some of the right traits but, mostly the helm, is merging two builds that sort of don’t fit together. You can either go the TH SD SD SD route or the COI COI COI SA X Whispers route. You can’t do both in the same set.
Also for raids you straight up need 3x COI and 1x whispers at least. SA being the ideal choice for the other two slots.
Most specs fit onto a sort of sliding scale where they do better as they get more of their bis azerite pieces, shadows azerite pieces regardless of which build you go sort of gain value from eachother, which leads to a situation where instead of a linear progression as you get more gear, the rate your damage goes up goes up faster the closer to the correct setup you are. And if you’re far away from that setup, your damage is very very poor.
priest needs crit+haste on all gear, “good” traits on all azerite armors, “good” corruptions and tank that keep pulling nonstop. It’s not spec for someone who is not ready heavy invest into character.
Anyway 22k with 452 gear is not class issue, but player’s one.
With his specific 452 average ilvl gear it can definitely be a gear issue. But it’s likely both.
I was playing with much more concentration than my rogue.