We were doing +16 junkyard if I remember correctly. No idea about his corruptions tho
I wonât comment on Affli, because I really donât know about their current state - though, I suspect that they are in a really bad spot, considering how much of a similar gamestyle they have compared to us - but Iâm not familiar enough with them to know if they have good baseline tools that allow them to do well or not.
SPs have a terrible talent tree. One of our basline abilities was put in there. Then we have a slight mobility (and mind we have ZERO mobility baseline) competing against survability. We have an AOE talent that itâs most of the time useless due to how little it hits vs its big CD.
Then, we also have a mandatory talent that we have to pick to fix our rotation - Shadow Word Void, which if we donât pick it, our rotation breaks at the expense of damage, because of void form and void bolts being our top priority. If we donât have SWV with its two charges, and keep Mind Blast instead, it will result in a rotatiton issue, because we canât use it optimally because Void Bold needs to be used on CD, and in order to do so, Mind Blast will be out of CD and unsued plenty of times because of that.
Our AoE is pretty poor and we rely on Azerite traits, essences and corruptions in order to do well, and that means weâll have to sacrifice our single target damage, which is already meh
Ok so say I follow your advice and get all the best essences, traits, trinkets, and talents. That might push my dps from 22k up to 30k? Meanwhile on my 447 outlaw rogue I do 35k in m+.
Well outlaw rogues are a bit of an outlier currently but as we can see on Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/20
SPriests are pretty much middle of the pack. There is nothing really wrong with them other than maybe bad player perception.
1 Like
Now click keystone +5 and weâre near the bottom. Hint: that data is flawed because the only shadow priests joining high level keys are the ones with best corruption, traits, and essences. The rest donât even bother. The data doesnât always show what you think it does.
1 Like
Yeah because thats so low that adds will die before you even put up your dots. Go up to +10 and you are back in the middle. Go to +15 and you are closer to the top.
1 Like
So if shadow dps is fine then why do groups complain when they see a shadow priest in party?
Because they only run into bad Spriests I guess. Public perception of a spec has nothing to do with wether a spec is good or not. There is plenty of people that will start complain just because you donât have the top spec in every position.
Stop looking at keystone data. How about you look at actual DPS data?
www.noxxic. com/wow/dps-rankings/targets-1-ilvl-445-fight-max/
Shadow priest ranked third to last single target, TEN percent below outlaw rogue ST. You think multi-target makes up for it? Nope, still below average.
For the same reason as Arcane mage, frost DK, MM and SV hunter, enhancer shaman, cat, Affli and demo lock, sub rogue, arms warrior, sometimes still bear and VDH, holy priest also have a hard time: not enough utility, not meta, not as strong as their other specs and so on.
This isnât a Spriest only problem, itâs just that people always expect the best specs/classes.
Also if you look at a real ST fight like the dog, or Xanesh in Nyalotha HC for example Spriest is still middle of the pack
You were talking about M+ that whole time, not single target dmg. Yeah the dot spec is gonna do less dmg in single target.
Oh look Arcane is number 1! Wait a minute, isnât that the absolute worst spec in M+? Weird how that happens.
Stop looking at keystone data to determine wether a spec is performing well in a keystone and rather look at a single target log?? Briliant. Absolutely Briliant.
Literally 10% below outlaw rogue, a spec which is known for terrible single target dmg.
The keystone data shows who got managed to be carried by 4 other people.
You canât balance M+ around +5 because mobs die before you even look at them
Shadow isnât outperforming anyone of equal skill or ilvl in m+ thatâs playing DH Hunter warrior etc etc. The good classes.
Weâre still better than warlocks because they still mostly lack competent aoe or an interrupt, but watching the DH I raid with hold 130k over an entire dungeon puts me to shame even with my gear.
The major reason these discussions come up though, and itâs so divisive when they do, is shadow relies an unbelievable amount on every aspect of your character being right. Right azerite, as much haste and crit as possible to the point where other stats are essentially irrelevant, stacked severe corruptions. You need these things, and if you donât have them you go from âNot great but not awfulâ to downright abysmal.
1 Like
Hmm what makes those classes different? Oh yeah they all have another much better dps spec to choose. Shadow is all priest have.
1 Like
Can I just ask you. As your character is set up right now on the armory, talents azerite gear etcâŠ
Is that what you run normally as shadow in dungeons / raids?
I cba really getting involved with this discussion, but I do wanna help you improve
Yeah if you set the logs to Max, which shows the absolute maximum dmg a spec can do. Set it to real and suddenly outlaw is barely above shadow. In fact in a real log it seems like you guys are even above Fire mages in single target. Man Spriests are op.
Ok I set the log to real and instead of 3rd from bottom weâre 4th worst and just 9% worse than outlaw, and 27% below BM hunter.
Yepp, because of this there are zero logs or M+ runs for most of the listed specs. Because itâs unimaginable that people would rather play a weaker spec or even a complete other class than the fotm spec.
It doesnât change the fact that you often enough get kicked faster than you can look when they find out that you prefer to play not the best spec.
Shadow was good at two fights in early Nyalotha, Ilgynoth and Drest agath. After the nerfs to most mid tier bosses shadow became strong on Raden because the DPS checks that were forcing it out of comps went away.
Also weâre fine on Xanesh but the logs inflate us a bit because of a low pick rate to do the football because it ruins our damage more than almost any other spec when we do do it.
Most of higher tier players concerns regarding shadow in raids, and the claims of fire being op, come from the last two bosses. Where every single relevant part of the fight is a 10 second burst window, which combust just decimates.