that is what I am saying so my title is fine, from DAY 1 ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Except it’s not lol, I literally just explained to you that technology wasn’t overused in Classic for very good reasons and that it made sense back then.
no the opposite actually, I see people complain how the wow story doesn’t make sense and I’m saying it doesn’t make sense from a foundation level so really it seems silly to pretend wow lore has never been silly in the first place.
@Daelinna but the technology WAS there! and it WAS being used, I don’t understand what you don’t get. Engineering was a thing in vanilla so clearly the capabilities were there…
Erm. That makes no sense. There are things as proper narrative and normal character development even if the universe does not follow the patterns of what we have IRL.
Yes, and I already told you that it made more sense because the circumstances JUSTIFIED the fact that most races still didn’t use technology.
well the core concept of anything, such as humans, day and night, bows, guns and swords ALL come from real life and ‘‘attempt’’ to replicate their real life resemblance, so of course it bares some relevance
@Daelinna but any race could do engineering…
It really doesn’t, you are comparing apples and oranges.
So you are telling me the concept of a sword doesn’t come from real life?
Using your logic, wow swords actually shoot bullets…
And no race aside from dwarves and gnomes placed much importance in engineering since many of them prefer more spiritual and magical weapons or just consider engineering more of a hobby, hence why most races still used swords and axes. So again, that makes sense, because spriitual and magical weapons can be just as deadly as technological ones, a mech won’t do anything compared to a storm of fire.
No, I am telling you that Unrealistic Warfare and Bad Narrative are not the same thing.
but an example of bad narrative I have seen is how jaina can teleport whenever. But my question would be why is THAT the first thing that doesn’t make sense too you???
@Daelinna they don’t place importance in it, yet it is the most advanced and powerful technology that exists too them? How does that make sense? are the factions stupid?
Please rephrase, I don’t understand whacha asking me to answer.
So a complaint about the narrative I have seen from other people is that Jaina can just teleport out of danger whenever she likes.
And so I made this post because I don’t understand critiques in the narrative based on logics when NOTHING in wow uses any kind of realistic logic. So my question is why do people even question the narrative?
Except it’s not lol? You are literally pulling that out of nowhere, it’s shown many times throughout the lore that technological weapons not necessarily are the best. Heck, the Kaldorei built an empire only on magic, whereas the gnomes couldn’t even hold their city despite putting a lot of effort into the technolgoical field, and wars were mostly won through magical means. It wasn’t an atomic bomb that killed Archimonde, it was the magic of nature, it wasn’t an atomic bomb that killed the trolls in the Troll War, it was fire magic that basically worked like a nuke, and again the gnomes might be the most technological race back in Classic but ironically they were also the weakest since they were literally a band of refugees.
Well, honestly, you started this out by talking about technology and warfare. Point is, those are cosmetics in the background of the story, and as such, they are not particularly relevant.
But if a character is portrayed in an idiotic manner, as is the case with a lot of characters in BFA, you are wrecking the entire story.
That’s my point. One thing is details, the other one is the foundation.
if magic is powerful then why do warriors and rogues and hunters exist? If magic is so powerful why do swords exist. After all swords are medieval technology.
@Araphant I am just saying it seems a bit pick and choosey to say I can accept all these flaws that wouldn’t add up in real life but I can’t except some characters doing things I can’t understand, cus you could just say ‘‘it’s fantasy’’ and then right in any reason as for why they make that decision. ‘‘Oh why did sylvannas burn the tree?’’ ‘‘because she gets more powerful the more souls she claims after here mysterious deal with helya’’ you know and u could say ‘‘oi thats stupid!!’’ but then they could say ‘‘it’s fantasy…’’
If we have to go this way, then we are really going into depths that I doubt many really have put any thoughts into… even the devs 
The weapon you have are only as good as the materials they are made of… And I have never really seen a quality system in this game or any places in this game.
As an example with the musket - some of the weaker points with that was not only the quality of the gun powder, but also the materials the musket itself was made of.
Any potentional misfire or blow up could damage the gun so it never would be accurate or be able to fire the range it was supposed to.
Lets say this logic applies to the game, then a lot of things make sense… The best materials have to go to the strongest weapons, and the scraps are being used the best they can.
Character development and political stories are way different, if that is your complaint
It really isn’t the same thing, though.
No I am just saying you can make an excuse for characters, if the excuse is ‘‘fantasy’’ and logic faults in characters aren’t ok with people but practical ones are ok?
Not everyone can wield magic, and magic much like a mech or a bomb can be just as dangerous as it is useful. Also because magic was pretty much taboo in the early EK history because it attracted the attention of the Legion, so humans who are pretty much the most important race in Classic (and not just Classic actually) didn’t put a lot of focus into studying magic.
Not all races want to focus on technology. Humans see it as a hobby and nothing more, why wouldn’t they? They didn’t need advanced technology to estabilish their seven great and wondrous kingdoms. Elves see technology as rudimentary and ugly and especially the Night King despise it because of what it does to nature, and then most Horde races bar the Forsaken are too savage to even care, or are just so much devoted to honor that they would find it dishonorable to hide behind a mech instead of charging blindly with your axe.
And again, you cannot say that advanced technology is more effective than magic when all the great wars of Azeroth have been won through magical means. Again, it wasn’t an atomic bomb that killed Archimonde and saved the world, it was a Druid and his magical tricks.