I am not saying they are the same, I am just saying how come character decisions that are illogical or seem unfun/unfair/uninteresting aren’t ok because they ‘‘don’t make sense’’ too you but practical/logical/core physics of the universe don’t make sense and that is ok. Like basically if wow can cheat the rules with the core establishment of it’s world and technologies, then why can’t they cheat when it comes too story?
Not everyone is interested in either technology or logics, but almost everyone can see themselves in a character - I guess this is why we might look away from any faults if it goes the way we want it 
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So you are telling the races are willingly handicapping themselves? Whilst also currently in an arms race for azerite??? AND using goblins and gnome technology ALL the time like at the battle for lorderon???
Because one thing is rule of cool. Like, you don’t play the game for historical realism. You do not ponder why isn’t there any Dwarf Industrial revolution.
But the story is a core part of the MMO, and you have certain rules in literature. Breaking things as character consistency, continuity, etc, isn’t cheating. Its just…dumb.
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Are you blind?! I literally jsut told you TWICE I am talking about CLASSIC alone since in the title you put “SINCE. DAY. 1”.
yes since day 1 doesn’t exclude any day after xD that is a stupid argument, also using your logic, they handicapped themselves in classic then by TBC they said F*CK THAT and suddenly changed their entire philosophy?? That makes no sense too me…
It doesn’t exclude any other day, and other people are already talking about that, it also includes Classic which should not be included because I already gave you many arguments as to why technology wasn’t so used.
And no, they didnt “suddenly change” their entire philosophy in TBC, what are you even talking about? There was no industrial revolution or anything like that between classic and TBC, the technolgoical races remained technological, the magical races remained magical, the primitive races remained primitive.
And they weren’t handicapping themselves by not putting effort in technolgicaly research because, once again, the Third War and ALL previous wars were NEVER won through steampunk technology, and the gratest empires on Azeroth were built through magic, not through mechs or bombs or grenades. So quit saying taht technolgoical weapons are the strongest and most efficient by far, because that is consistently proven wrong.
Ok I think I agree then, I agree that wow is just a story, but I feel that a lot of these issues would be gone if they had done a few things different in the past. For example, have the draenei actually NOT be advanced and instead be just as primitive as the races of azeroth and they only have all their fancy things cus of their naaru friends. Basically the naaru are the only ones who actually understand how to make and use the tech. Then they should have made it so ALL of the their naaru tech was utterly DESTROYED upon landing on azeroth, and NEVER capable of repair. Then As far as gnomes, they should have just not made them so advanced. I get thats their niece but it causes a lot of problems. Advanced catapults and medieval tech should be their stick, not tanks and guns. And dwarves should at least have a dozen pillars in ironforge too explain how they managed too build a MOUNTAIN CITY. But ye, I guess we just have to brush these things aside…
@Daelinna tbf your right, it wasn’t TBC, it was WOTLK when we started seing a massive revolution
I feel a universe who did the world a lot better was tolkein and LOTR
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Not that that revolution was needed, because guess who defeated Arthas? It wasn’t a pilot on his mech armed with grenades and nukes, it was a medieval sword infused with magic.
actually the world first lich king Heroic kill was done by throwing grenades on the edge of the platform in a bug too regrow the platform xD
and ye engineering bombs were a core part of dps rotation in WotLK
Actually the players who tried to pull that cheap trick were oneshot by Arthas’ necromantic powers and had to be resurrected by the Light.
No one care sabout dps rotations, we are talking about the story here lol.
well why would we be able to use grenades if they didn’t exist in the lore?
Good lord, I didn’t say they don’t exist in the lore, I said that ---- BACK IN CLASSIC ---- there was a valid reason why the vast majority of races did not care about using grenades and other advanced technology like that, it’s not like it didn’t make any sense like you boldly put in the title.
but we are talking about arthas at the momment, that isn’t classic ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
and it still doesn’t make sense, the gnomes although small in number wouldn’t have FORGOTTEN how to do anything?? in fact we know they didn’t because thats why players IN CLASSIC could learn GNOMISH engineering…
Yeah, and I wasn’t the one who brought up Arthas, it was you.
And who even said that the gnomes forgot everything about technology?? I even said that they used it, what I also said is that every other race except the dwarves had good reasons for ignoring or looking down on technology, and history would agree with them.
Like, seriously dude, stop putting words in my mouth, it’s getting annoying. I literally NEVER, EVER, said that grenades dont exist or gnomes forgot using them.
doesn’t matter who started it, we were both engaged in that line of discussion, you can’t just pretend that we suddenly weren’t talking about it xD
And no, unless they are -100 IQ that had NO reason to ignore it, and they didn’t really because as I said before ALL races were learning engineering. I never even put words in your mouth, all I am saying is if they have grenades, they wouldn’t just not use them, they see they throw it, and the enemies are TORN apart! pretty effective they say, and then they use them because it is an advantage…
Once again, you put words in my mouth. I didn’t pretend that we weren’t talking about, I said you mentioned it to clarify that I didn’t bring up WotLK to further prove my point.
And yes, all races were learning engineering because, spoilers, the races are not mindless drones but there are some individuals who might be intrigued by engineering, but if you knew ANYTHING about the lore of races like elves or orcs, you would easily know why they don’t care about advanced technology and prefer other means to fight.
How cool, they see grenades tearing enemies apart. They also see raging elementals summoned by shamans doing the same thing, they also see people turning into bears who can maul several enemies, they also see a guy who can summon demons and meteors, they also see 100 mages who can literally nuke an entire enemy army.
They also see taht the most technologically advanced race, the gnomes, is also the weakest race, with the weakest military, the weakest economy, and pretty much no home left.
but the races are only like that BECAUSE the lore is written that way
If the lore was written logically, then they would OF COURSE scramble too this technology,
I don’t think you and I will see eye too eye and I don’t quite understand your logic in the same way you don’t seem to understand mine so wel’ll agree to disagree
Yeah, I am also done, and for the record, not because I concede, btu because I am tired of repeating the same arguments over and over again.
Its world filled with magic. Technology vs Magic. Take a look almost all classes have some sort of magic in them, well except Warriors.
The machines are clunky and unreliable.
And about the sense of it - You take a fantasy world and you give it certain “rules” that you have to obey (LOL Blizz).