Can we nerf DK utility against casters for once?

[Lockfromwish-ravencrest]

@Bic-jaedenar

even tho i told u u can disregard it.

Because you realised you’re talking nonsense since you can’t answer a simple question? Hey man, kudos to you for having some self awareness

@Bic-jaedenar

except now lock for whatever reason.

I didn’t say that.

@Bic-jaedenar

if dk would hardcounter casters as u say, it wouldve also found play into more of melee+caster matchups.

Not really. Melee caster is a different conversation to facing pure caster comps, which was the original point of the discussion. Do try to keep up.

@Bic-jaedenar

wrong

Oh really, so at what point in DF was UH DK not too strong against casters?

@Bic-jaedenar

its now stronger yes and the gained anti-caster utility this expansion makes it too strong.

Great, so the spec is too strong…which is…my point?

[Bic-jaedenar]

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

since you can’t answer a simple question

like i told u before. dk utility didnt get changed whole beta.
but ye lets not keep repeatin again and again.

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

I didn’t say that.

u said this

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Note I said 'pretty much every single caster’ as well, btw. Exceptions don’t really establish rules.

and this was when talkin the beta example which was about lock.
it implies that lock is the exception and dk counters every other caster.

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Not really.

ofc. dk didnt get hardcountered by melees in DF. if dk woulve hardcountered casters easily, as u say the did, then obiously dk comps woudve seen way more play also into melee+caster.

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Great, so the spec is too strong…which is…my point?

well the question is why is it too strong.
u say DF dk was hardcountering casters so i cant agree with ur take entirely.
i agree that the gained anti-caster ulitly this expansion is too strong.

[Lockfromwish-ravencrest]

@Bic-jaedenar

like i told u before. dk utility didnt get changed whole beta.
but ye lets not keep repeatin again and again.

And like I told you before, it doesn’t matter if the utility changes or not if the tuning of the numbers is different. How do you not understand this?

@Bic-jaedenar

u said this

Show me exactly where I said that it doesn’t take Warlock out of the game. I know substantiating your points with evidence isn’t your strong point, but try to do it for the first time. I believe in you.

@Bic-jaedenar

and this was when talkin about the beta example.
it implies that lock is the exception and dk counters every other caster.

Beta is a nonsensical metric to base your arguments on, hence why I’m talking about the present and the future.

@Bic-jaedenar

as u say the did, then obiously dk comps woudve seen way more play also into melee+caster.

Not when there were even stronger options into those comps overall, e.g. DH/Boomy and Rogue mage.

@Bic-jaedenar

well the question is why is it too strong.

Too much utility, too much damage. Needs gutting ASAP

@Bic-jaedenar

u say DF dk was hardcountering casters so i cant agree with ur take entirely.

That’s because you’re a low level player that has no decent game knowledge.

I’ve denoted you’re a troll so I’m going to just stick you on ignore now. Goodbye and enjoy spending another season at Duelist.

[Bic-jaedenar]

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Show me exactly where I said that it doesn’t take Warlock out of the game. I know substantiating your points with evidence isn’t your strong point

i just did that.
like i dont need to talk about the beta example no more. the thing is tho when we did talk about it u said as a defense of why the dk lost to the lock the following

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

One example from a beta being your best ‘argument’ in the discussion only reinforces mine. Note I said 'pretty much every single caster’ as well, btw. Exceptions don’t really establish rules.

if this doesnt imply that the lock is the exception then idk. seems u dont know urself what ur thinkin.

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Not when there were even stronger options into those comps overall

ah ye dk hardcounters one of the opponets completely, occording to u. but not enough to see more play of the class over the whole course of DF AWC. makes total sense kappa.

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Too much utility

ye the recently gained utility takes it over the top against wizards.
nerfs will come dont worry.

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

I’ve denoted you’re a troll

thats gold coming from u xDD

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

I’m going to just stick you on ignore now

im fine to end on that note.

[Highpriestss-doomhammer]

You forgot to mention [Void Torrent].

[Highpriestss-doomhammer]

@Lockfromwish-ravencrest

Anyway a spec having a small/no amount of r1 titles would only be relevant to the topic at hand (and your point) if the meta at that level was just caster comps. It wasn’t. It was Ele/Dh, DH/Dev, Feral Mage, Feral D

Any idea on the stats for AWC or other tournament finals and which classes have the highest %… Mage/Rog/Warrior/Demon Hunter/R Druid are my guess for top 5. Over the last four expanions.

[Lockfromwish-ravencrest]

No idea. If it’s anywhere it’ll probably be somewhere on Drustvar. Might be worth reaching out to Leeka if you are interested.

[Rannî-silvermoon]

Softcounters are good game design, hardcounters are bad game design. Games shouldn’t be decided in the loading screen.

I find it interesting with how many people are apparantly fine with hardcounters as long as it’s in their favour. I’ve literally seen people in this forum saying that casters like priest should just take the L against double meele with fistweaver and in their next post they complain about mage

[Dümbledore-aggra-português]

Exactly. I have no issues with softcounters. It’s bound to happen. But a spec completely nullifying my every attempt, completely removing me from playing the game for most of the fight is simply senseless.