what does it matter?
according to u guys affli should be out of the game against this anti-caster abomination of a class. especially against the highest uhdk world.
yet the lock topped dmg every game and destroyed them.
What does it matter if we are talking about beta or the live version of the game, I truly wonder.
Do you deny that it is?
I for one am shocked that a specialisation with 3+ Dots and hits 3+ targets topped damage every game.
Letâs see them âdestroying themâ on live when the season starts, shall we?
well the lock was the main reason they lost every game.
wonder how the lock did that while facing every casters unbeatable counter (ur words, kinda)
u truly wonder, huh?
well dk had the same anti caster tools on beta that it has right now.
what happened to this statement:
Weâre talking about the present, not the past. Are you incapable of doing that?
Letâs see how the season goes when itâs live shall we? 
ah ye i see.
Yeah, same applies to DF lol, but who cares about DF now, Aryash only brought it up for his factually incorrect agenda
Are you also salty that you did the unthinkable too and lost as UH DK Rsham to me in 2v2? 
bro u said DF. the quote is from urself kekw.
but when i bring up beta, which is same dk utility as now, u dont wanna talk about the âpastâ all of a sudden.
i played some low rated 2s with randoms. i remember losing to u ye.
im not salty tho but ofc u gotta attack me personally at this stage of the discussion ^^
DF wasnât brought up until Aryash tried saying that DK was bad into casters for the entirety of DF. Hereâs my original comment, as youâre clearly lost:
Thereâs me talking about DK now, until the tank player came along talking about DK being bad into casters in DF, which it absolutely wasnât.
You brought up one example from a beta, from god knows when, when god knows how many changes have been since, from god knows whose stream you watched, instead of focusing on the present and anticipating the future.
One example from a beta being your best âargumentâ in the discussion only reinforces mine. Note I said 'pretty much every single casterâ as well, btw. Exceptions donât really establish rules.
well ur lost.
like i dont rly care why u said what, fact is u made a statement which includes the past, i simply quoted it and now ur mad about that?
well i told u its the highest uhdk na. if u really care who it is u can easily find out.
its simply an example i brought up against ur statement. and again, the example took place at the beta, where the dk utility is exactly the same as in the present.
ah oke. so dk counters every caster except aflli lock or what is it?
Feel free to give me the timestamps from the events you described. âThis one event from betaâ isnât the gotcha that you think it is.
One example from the âbetaâ, which you wonât tell me when it was, or who was playing against who, suddenly disproves my statement? Hilarious person, truly hilarious.
Losing to a caster as an UH DK, both in DF and now, really shouldnât happen and requires serious misplays on behalf of the DK and their team. There are 11 caster specs in this game and DK is favoured into all of them. That is grounds for nerfs.
We will find out when the season goes live, wonât we?
Or are you going to hold on to this âBUT PETKICK LOST A GAME ON BETA TO AN AFFLI LOCKâ agenda for the rest of the expansion?
Your spec is currently a joke into casters. Do you agree or not?
ofc it does.
u say, losing to caster is insta uninstall as dk, wether DF or now.
beta is inbetween DF and now, with same dk utility, and the highest uhdk lost to a caster.
this doesnt disprove that dk is good into caster but it clearly disproves ur statement.
also the uhdk im refering to lost to casters in DF and will most likely lose to some in TWW.
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its very good yes, in general tho as well rn. prolly s-tier. that doesnt mean u can never lose into caster cleaves as it.
what for sure should be nerfed is the passive AMS by riders and the short AMS pvp talent.
Yeah, it is 
Are you actuallyâŠokay? What was the tuning like? When was it? Who was playing against who? Was it day 1 of beta, the last day of beta? Thereâs a difference between âutilityâ and the tuning of abilities, you do know thatâŠright?
It disproves nothing. Just because you beat something that counters you doesnât mean that thing no longer counters you. Is that genuinely how your brain is working here? I beat a R1 FMP playing Aff SP Hpal, does that mean FMP isnât a counter anymore? I beat a R1 Ret Warr FW as Affli SP, does that mean they arenât a counter anymore?
It should never lose into caster cleaves
Anyway Iâm bored now, you are either unwilling or unable to answer my question about the state of the beta you keep referring to, and youâre using 1 isolated, unsubstantiated incident from a god damn BETA, i.e., an unfinished article, as your argument when discussing a previous season and the current state of the game.
My last comment here: we will see what itâs like when the season goes live.
disregard it, its fine.
like i wrote before tho, the same dk also lost to casters in DF. i also wonder why dk wasnt utilized more at AWC when the opponent team locked in casters. its free win apperantly, according to u.
ur statement is simply exeggerated and wrong.
like said, i agree that passive rider AMS especially but also short AMS (pvp talent) should be nerfed.
if that remains then ye dk is too strong currently against casters.
I dont want DKâs to lose Ams. It is a very iconic spell and should clearly be a thing for them.
What I am not a fan of and what I think should be removed/allowed about ams atm is as follows:
Remove passive / automated AMS from rider of apocalypse and adding ams for allies when pressing ams.
Remove removal of magical effects.
Allow channels to damage ams.
Everything else can stay as it is.
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Iâm not asking for ams to be removed. Iâm asking for ams to lose the senseless magic immunity component. The magic immunity is what prevents you from dotting or channeling damage abilities or use magic cc when itâs up.
And DK should not have blanket silence either, since they already have interrupt
Warriors cry about mages.
Mages cry about hunters and maybe ferals?
Priests cry about dks.
Dks cry about fury warriors ( and physical damage in general).
Warlocks cry about everything.
Seems balanced to me.
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uno reverse card but frost mage vs warrior
unholy seems giga broken tho
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The season starts in 3 days and itâs not clear why some objectively exaggerated things havenât been fixed at all. Surely the DK would need a change in the structure of the anti magic shell, at least so that the application of DOTs is not impossible.
Having to deal with a DK for caster is objectively absurd, in many cases it makes you want to press X and wait for the bullying to end.
The mage frost itself is honestly really too exaggerated, I donât remember a class so out of control. Itâs too exaggerated in damage, mobility, utility, etc. And above all it DOESNâT cast anything anymore - In the first season of DF the demonology was objectively very exaggerated and was toned down almost immediately.
p.s. yes Iâm a warlock, but the excuse of not having to âcomplainâ because I shoot shadowbolt instants for a million and more doesnât hold up much since to be able to do it you need a setup that isnât too fast, and unfortunately Iâm forced to play soul harvester due to the absurd bugs of hellcallers and diabolists and their lowest damage
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Coming from you, this is hilariously ironic.
Btw, I said it counters âpretty much every single casterâ. Your one example from the BETA of ONE CASTER in the ENTIRE GAME that had somewhat of a chance against that spec literally proves my point and isnât an exaggeration in the slightest. Please donât say words you donât know the meaning of
Because the AWC was predominantly melee/caster, there were hardly any, IF ANY, double caster compositions. But in Cup 4 Chibaku Tensei pulled out the DK/DH to win a grand final, Liquid pulled out a DK Assa to kill a Boomkin in 1 minute of the final, youâre just a denier of your specâs strength. I wonder why.
Was in DF and is now somehow even stronger.
Still waiting for you to provide me with an answer to my question about the exact point in the beta that âthe highest rated DK in NAâ was getting farmed by an Affli Lock. Are you not answering because it doesnât fit your agenda or?
its funny u tell me i only talk about one example but u keep ridin it even tho i told u u can disregard it.
ye, u already enlightened me with ur wisdom and told me that dk hardcounters, matter of fact takes every caster out of the game, except now lock for whatever reason.
if dk would hardcounter casters as u say, it wouldve also found play into more of melee+caster matchups.
im still searchin the note where i wrote the date on. i just cant find it my dog mustve eaten it or sth.
wrong
its now stronger yes and the gained anti-caster utility this expansion makes it too strong.