Prove it in 10char.
( you can actually use more than 10 char )
Monk fits two PvP roles and Shaman fits 3. Dh only fits one. Itâs obvious itâs going to be less represented on ladder.
Also, I donât think counting the endless legion of lvl 103 DHs called any variation of Illidan in the group of DH players makes for an accurate count of how played is the class. Itâs a fact that there are less DHs than Rogues no matter the performance because Rogues have existed for longer and a ton of people have invested time and effort on it and arenât going to give it up. They may also play dh as a leveling alt. Just to give +1 to your DH count. Doesnât make them play DH much in end game that matters.
These players show what the classes are capable of. Not only DH. People witnessed what DH couls do. And then DH became popular. If a player has latency and isnât as good as the 0.1% itâs not an issue because neither are his teammates nor his opponents, so theyâll play the same stuff as grand champions and the games are just going to look messy with mistakes and all. But these average players are full able to assimilate that they need to press op manaburn in stun to win. If youâre really convinced DH wasnât top tier and played much in s1 after and around the blizzcon then recheck your sources, ask streamers or something.
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Except Rogue and Mage only had 1 role too and were higher than Monk. Rogues and Mages at some point made up like 30% of the players above 2K. Nice try.
Also, I donât think counting the endless legion of lvl 103 DHs called any variation of Illidan in the group of DH players makes for an accurate count of how played is the class
Except I counted lvl 120s only.
And then DH became popular.
Except percentages clearly showed they werenât lmao. It was still the 3rd least played class at 2k+ in S1.
ask streamer
Ah yes, the veritable source for data⌠streamers.
They never were 30% each, possibly 30% together. The difference with DH is that these classes have existed for so long they are known inside and, every possible RogueXX or Mage XX or RMX has been tried out and practised while it isnât true for a class such as DH. Youâll find that even when DH was at its best there were less DH comps than Rogue or Mage comp that worked. Because lots of players use the LFG tool they look for viable comps. If youâre a Rogue and can play with any healer, and for the DPS can play with Mage (all specs) Hunter (all specs), ShadowPriest, Ele Shaman, Destro Lock (affli too if there were affli players), Ret, Balance, youâll have an easier time finding something to play with than a DH who can only truly pair with DK, Balance, WW and Arms, and wonât play with a disc as a healer.
So yes, a class that works with more classes will be seen more because players wonât be restricted when it comes to finding someone to play with. Or less so, at least.
How many ever entered an arena above mount farm rating ? Oh, you did not countâŚ
You must have skipped a line and looked at MM Hunter instead of Demon Hunter.
Someone playing daily around 2.8 will most likely have a better feel of the match uo than a forum demon hunter whose all time best is below 600 less rating that than. But thatâs just me, maybe some people refer to Kelduril as the all-knowledgeable about wow meta.
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Oh come on already with that bull, DH has been out for 3 years.
WoW isnât THAT complex of a game that you need years to learn a classâ arena playstyle.
Youâll find that even when DH was at its best there were less DH comps than Rogue or Mage comp that worked.
In season 1? Nah it was mostly RMP.
How many ever entered an arena above mount farm rating ? Oh, you did not countâŚ
Thatâs impossible to know lmao. Go ahead and prove they didnât play arena, the claim is on you.
You must have skipped a line and looked at MM Hunter instead of Demon Hunter.
Why would I look at MM Hunter? BM and Survival were doing great.
Someone playing daily around 2.8 will most likely have a better feel of the match
Someone playing daily at 2.8 could also be lying. Statistics do not lie.
Kelduril as the all-knowledgeable about wow meta.
Good thing you donât need to be Glad to look at the leaderboards and pull some numbers.
And Rogues and Mages for⌠15 ! Very comparable indeed.
Well it depends, do you aim at R1 or do you aim at Kelduril ?
Rmp was shinning in S1 just like DH/Balance which was actually quite annoying to play against as RMP. What won Blizzcon ? RMP ? No. Why ? Because destroyed by DH.
Exactly ! On this I agree ! Which is why your claims of class count and % representation of the class count are totally blind and without any base to stand on. Glad you saw my point there.
Werenât you talking about the third less played class ? WellâŚ
They do when you look at them wrong, like you do.
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Do you really think people from 15 years ago are still playing this game? Like wtf, yo.
Itâs so irrelevant. DH is played on the same level as Rogue or Mage, they just donât PvP as much. Why do you think that is?
You definitely aim at Kelduril. If you balance for 3K rating everything below will be chaos. Do you even game design?
Games arenât made for the top players, theyâre made for average people. Thatâs your target audience/main consumer.
Blizzcon is not relevant towards the ladder at large. 0 latency and whatever gear/comp you want is a different game. Do you think the ladder would look the same if EVERYONE had the same gear, the same forges, the same latency? THatâs nonsense.
LOL. No theyâre not. Statistics have been used to balance team games since team games started being a thing. Whether itâs WoW or MOBAs or CSGO.
MM Hunter is not a class. Hunter is a class.
was thinking about making a âban kelduril from arena forumsâ thread but I think the other guy from the Jito thread got banned
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Still trolling on the lvl 36 alt?
You must live an exciting life.
Cdew, or Xaruy, were already playing back in Vanilla. I wonât spend time researching who did and who didnât, but these two happened to say it a couple times already. So, Iâd say âyes, I think so, they even said it themselves!â.
Because as I said way less players are familiar with, and good at playing Demon Hunter than Rogue. Just have a look at all those multiclassers in tournaments. How many have played Rogue on the competitive scene during the last decade when itâs not their main ? How many did manage to get high ladder rating as Rogue even though itns not their main ? Iâll let you count for yourself. Then you can do the same with DH. Iâll spoil the results though, the number regarding Rogue will be much higher. Simply because many more players are familiar with it, used to it, good at it. Some players do play DH at the same high end level as other play Rogue. Itâs not about the level. Itâs about the number of people who know how to play at that level. If there were as many Rogue players as there were DH players and Rogues appeared more then youâd make your point. But thatâs not the case, the people used to playing DH well are fewer in number.
Funny how big balance changes happen just before and after big LAN events then. Maybe you should apply at Blizzard, you obviously know how to do their work better than they do, and would align very well with the âcater towards the casualâ attitude some of their staff seem to have.
Itâs not irrelevant. It shows what are the results when every class is exploited at its maximum with same conditions on every side.
Besides, on ladder, gear is indeed not the same. Whoâs to say the RMP are the ones with the best gear and not the DH players ? How are gear differences relevant here ? One game youâll have advantagew the other you wonât. It evens out. So yeah, the ladder would look the same. Oh and one more reason ! People tend to play with the classes they have and know. At least in top ladder. I would have much better results if I kept playing Rogue when itâs bad rather than leveling a Warlock from 1, gearing it, and learning it, even if it was downright OP. Thatâs the case for a great amount of people. Of course Iâm talking relevant rating, about abyone can reach 2k with any class as long as they know wow.
Not made by you obviously, or it would be catastrophic.
And this is why your numbers, your statistics, are horribly wrong. DH has only one arena-able spec. So you may count DHs. Other classes, not so much. Imagine saying Druid is in a perfect state just because Resto is op so you counter a lot of Druids. Thatâs one third of arena Druids. One third and youâd say the class is represented and thus fine. Youâre just horrible at thinking in general. MM Hunter may be a spec but if zero players are able to play it because itâs bad it doesnât matter whether or not Hunter in general is well because SV is suoer broken, one is ranged and the other melee, they are different specs and donât even have the same role. Someone like you would be quite terrible at balancing this game if you believe as soon as a class has representation itâs fine entirely.
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How can he be played more and having lower representation?
You have just debunked your intelligence with such an obvious contradiction.
they indeed do not
however âDH is least played therefore badâ isnât a statistic, the premise might be statistical data, but the conclusion is not
you conflate your opinions with statistic
the âtherefore DH is badâ part is non-sequitur
just because something is least played or not played at all it doesnât necessarily mean itâs not good
I remember you calling you can Fel Eruption somebody while heâs jumping behind pillar and then he can end up being stunned behind pillar outside of LoS by Fel Eruption. Which is nonsense, since Fel Eruption pins you down.
Thatâs a statistical data. But saying youâre wrong because you were wrong, is just picking one attribute and ignoring others.
Funnily enough that means that if youâre right and your logic stands, then youâre wrong, because we have statistical data that youâre wrong. Which leaves only one possibly alternative⌠that youâre not right⌠therefore wrong.
QED
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Lmfao what idiot needs a guide to play dh
Kelduril
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Kelduril arguing that DH suck again ![:joy:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/joy.png?v=6" ":joy:")
Honestly, design of both DH and DK is hilarious. Itâs so simple, stupid and easy to play. People that play it in pvp should be ashamed of themselves. And blizzard should be ashamed for creating such monstrosities. There is no excuse for âdesigningâ such dull, tunnelvision, pve dmg rotation mongo specs as those 2.
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go back into the circus you came from
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Imagine thinking that standing in mid and casting VT only is hard, while you have a 4 sec wall on 45 sec, a wall+healing+freedom on 1.5 Min, life swap on 5 min and another healing idk what cd does it has.
All these combined with the healer cd makes it pretty decent, so just donât complain about easy speccs since yours is one of them.
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Donât make him come with his alts to agree with himself
if you ever lose to sp its your own fault btw
if you ever lose as dh druid you are bad
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SP requires defensive and offensive plays that include both teammates and enemies. It requires to be aware of everyone in the arena at all times. DH and DK can just tunnelvision pve rotation on a single target with succession. Itâs not even comparable.
True itâs not comparable.
SP in BfA S1 was more braindead and stupid than DK will ever be, one thing I can finally agree with you on.
Keep telling yourself that your class is hard but that wonât help you get good either