Can you ban addons like WA

Then you wonder how i got it without any addon.

I think you can see it when inspecting people?
Not saying I might be wrong, and another addon is interfering with it on my side :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

But shows also what a mess we have XD

When it comes to simple WeakAuras, like tracking a cooldown or buff, that’s not cheating. Why? Because expecting players to spot a single buff they need to track among 20 others during a fight is unrealistic. That’s just crazy.

That said, I do agree that having fewer WeakAuras and addons would be better for the game overall. But for that to happen, Blizzard would need to overhaul the hardcore endgame design they currently have.

Addons and WeakAuras are simply answers to the design choices Blizzard keeps making.

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Bottom right is my infobox. At start of the key (just look at the first 3 seconds) i have my mouse on the group so i sort of mouse-over players in the wild. The infobox shows M+ score and best key run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF9lgtCS7Is

Yeah I definitely do not have that, and that looks like the raider.io addon

Except i do not have that addon :grin:

I think we need to resort to more extreme measures here: Blame Puny.

Could be another addon, or one on my side blocking it.
Just reaffirms the point how messy the entire addon situation can be.

Some people are not capable of setting up or tweaking WA (for various reasons)
Some people (newbies) doesn’t even know it exists
Some auras are private/paid

No, we’re not in the same conditions

The only weakauras I use are class panels (because I like hiding my keybars) and dungeon/raid packs which do the same thing as DBM/BigWigs.

I would really like to know what these “cheating” weakauras you speak of?

They design the game based on addons, so it might never happen

Watch a guide or ask someone who knows it. LEARN IT. It’s not that difficult, really.

Newbies don’t raid mythic or play high rated pvp, content where you need some WAs for easier tracking (or to play a boss properly, because for some unknown reason Ovinax exists).

So…what is your point again? I agree that bosses like ovinax or neltharion should never exist.

I can agree to a certain extent that certain addons make this a bit too easy. Some addons tell you exactly when to move and that takes the point out of learning. Other addons like WA also offer some more clear views on your buffs for example. If i need to track my RTB buff and crackshot and BTE buffs in the already crazy amount of buffs i have, i’ll spend more time trying to figure out which buffs my abilities gave me than actually focussing on the fight.

Also rp addons don’t give you an edge in the game, it simply allows you to make a profile to pimp out your character a bit more and give other players the information you wish to share with them.

Then there are also the addons that allow you to make your UI more fitting for you. I don’t see a problem with those myself.

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I agree but there is also a huge design problem, too much trashy passive buf, dot til I would say bfa and maybe early sl it was simple and clear

the thing that bothers me the most is really the wa alerts for fights, whether in mm+, raid or pvp
really install it, you just don’t play the same game make it basic in game or ban it, but for me an addon that tells you “ams”; “darkpack”… should be banned

he says alerts even before the spells/abilities are cast. you really have to realize how op it is

I know this because I have it. During Mythic+ runs, those WeakAuras make my experience much easier. They provide information I’d usually have to watch for myself, allowing me to focus on other things. The sweet voice will tell me exactly what’s happening. For example, it says Dispel or Defensive when needed stuff like that.

If I could choose, you know (because it’s not really up to us as players; WeakAuras are just a response to Blizzard’s design choices), I’d prefer a game where I have total control over my damage. I’m the type of player who dislikes pressing Judgment and having it proc damage that isn’t mine. I’ve hated that in every expansion where it happened.

That said, this kind of gameplay is easier for less-skilled players not completely new players, but those who aren’t as experienced. It’s less punishing. If you’re in full control and forget to press something at the right time, you’re going to have a very bad experience. But if you press the wrong spell and that spell procs additional damage, you won’t feel the mistake as much.

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I don’t mind pve addons but it ruins pvp.
You should not be able to see the cd of your targets major cd abilities, offensive or defensive. It’s supposed to be a unknown factor to which you react, not seeing it like “his bubble is ready in 5 seconds so I’m gonna burst now because…”

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The mistake was from the beginning that blizz let addons work on top of the game. Having addons to change the interface is ok. But now having addons to go to, what to do and what is the rotation to get dmg, don’t get kicked out of it group is wrong. it should have followed the model of FF14 online in the first place (there is no 2004 for sure) but he was able to fix it in recent years. what do I mean: in FF14 all classes/jobs are almost balanced and in raids there is no aaa the mage does not do dmg should we throw him away from the group, because very simply this kind of games is the cooperation of the players and not who is the top dps or if the tank pulls all of azeroth in agro or the healer healing without tomorrow. just in wow with achiv I remember in cataclusm they didn’t raid you if you didn’t have achiev, then we did, you don’t get dps, you don’t heal, right you keep aggro kick from group, something that is valid until today. this is because one player can see what the other is doing because of addons (details, WA, skada,raider. io etc etc).
the conclusion of the above is that addons are good, but they should be useful to make your game exactly as you want and not to be forced to make it in order to be able to achieve the goals of the game (end game content, raid M+ achieve). There are also but many mistakes that blizz has made that if we catch them we want 100 posts to they are written.P.S in ff14 tactics in raid dungeons you learn it inside from the bosses,without addons

I think its fair to say that most players have grown so used to addons that they are blind to the damage it does to the game.

A lot of addons are fine, UI change is fine, some practicality addons like bagnon are fine, role-play addons are fine.

There are addons however that regardless of if they are accessible to all just strait up damage the game. Ones which come to mind for me are

1: addons that track ENEMY player abilities, it literally changes everything about how pvp is played. These addons can even inform you of abilities used by players you cannot see, gladiatorSA can literally inform you that a rogue used shadowblades while hes in stealth so you know hes about to open.

2: addons that inform you of danger, i understand many of you are used to GTFO addon but lets be completely real its a addon that prompts you to cheat

3:addons that help exploit systems like que dodging for pvp ques for favorable matches (yes they are a thing)

Addons are getting more capable than they was a decade ago, and honestly the line between fine and unacceptable is pretty thin

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I couldn’t imagine life as a Hunter without SilverDragon or RareScanner.

A while back, I used to have the TellMeWhen add-on and it was great for just getting me used to new specs and their respective rotations.

Azeroth Autopilot for alts when you have already done the whole story once and just want to power through. I also use a WA to change my mouse cursor into like a Legion/demonic cursor.

I see no reason why anything like that should be banned so I can’t agree with some statements here calling for a total ban on add-ons.

I didn’t say that i want to ban addon’s as i do use a lot of addons my self.
I’m just saying that some addons are quality of life addons that improve existing faults in the game and some are in the edge of breaking the game.
For example Spy is an addon that provides information on every enemy player that is near you , who ever uses stealth etc. This gives an enormous advantage to whoever use this addon vs someone that doesn’t.

Yeah, I know. I was agreeing with you but just worded it badly.