First of all i am on the fence about the gdkp debate. I did some. It wasnt too good or too bad. So for the sake of argument lets say blizzard developed a system to remove rmt, i know they wont, but just for the argument lets say they did. Poof rmt is gone. You cant trade any in game stuff with irl stuff. You cant even offer half of your hot dog for gold. Would you still be opposed to gdkp system. Because its pretty fair system organization gets a lot of gold. Ppl with lots of time to grind gold get lots of items. And ppl with less Gold gets some Gold to get items next time. Everyone leaves the raid happy and on top of that if u have some sleeper on the group afking half the time they dont get nothing. Its incredibly fair.
because none of that gold is legit. how is this even a question
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I am asking you to assume if it was legit
i dont understand the thred. most people aren’t against gdkp they are against the fact that the gold comes from gold sellers and very likely is sold by or through the bis raid leader who gets the biggest slice of the cake.
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The system of GDKP itself is great!
The problem is that the system is destroyed by laziness and greed which attracts gold-selling and ultimately destroys the whole economy.
So, in the utopia you present, yes GDKP is a great idea.
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I see lots of ppl with pure gdkp hatred check the recent threads about gdkp. Actually when they should be opposing rmt. Blizz shouldnt ban gdkp they should punish gold buying/selling way harder and faster.
Oooeh you sneaky lil gnome you, so you aren’t on the fence on GDKP’s, you want them to be not banned I see. Well that went fast.
yes we all agree. but what is blizz gonna do. cut off half of their sub numbers (bots) or give people the illusion that rmt is dealt with while still keep these bots subbed?
you have era for do gdkp
No i see your point in one of the gdkp i did i couldnt afford something. The organizer offered me gold for paypal him, in-game chat mind you. It was sad. I reported him but nothing happened. My point is him not being banned is problem here not the gdkp format.
If you really look for a fair system you’re better off doing DKP. You earn points on raid presence, sometimes guilds give bonus to those who perform best (and not only DPS-wise but for most dispell, being on time, etc.) And when a gear drop you bid with those.
Using gold to bid on items isn’t fair it’s just convenient. Convenient for the whale who just swipe their cards to buy it all and convenient for those who don’t wanna swipe nor farm and end up earning some of that RMT gold. The DKP system is fair, the G isn’t.
Although I can understand that some GDKP are legit and it’s frustrating not to be able to run them anymore, it shouldn’t be that big of a deal even if you’re used to run them.
The rant about GDKP on the forums and those pretending not to play the game because GDKP is banned are clearly earning real money from it and that’s why they are so pissed.
It’s not like there isn’t many other fair ways to get gear.
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My main problem with dkp i cant buy consumables or alt gear with dkp i can with gold
Two things can be true at once.
- Players should be able to organize with other people to play the game however they see fit
- GDKPs have degenerating effect on the social aspect of the game(why would you commit to a regular guild if you are a healer? join a GDKP and glide your way to success) and it might be the reason why gold buying with irl money is as rampant as it is. GDKPs existence also hurt recently 60 dps classes in an established server. I started with a rogue in P6 and legitimately couldn’t find not-shaky guild for a long time. Most of the runs are controlled by GDKP. Proper guilds are getting disbanded.
Sure people have freedom to join any type of run, but it is good to have an option without GDKP. Want GDKP? Era is there for you.
This is the big one tho
I don’t think there’s any game out there without any level of RMT
RMT will always exist, and since there’s always someone willing to throw money at someone for ingame items/gold, bots are made and updated permanently
Finding a way to stop botting isn’t the solution either, when bot farms can no longer use software to farm their gold, they start paying peanuts to people who live in fourth world countries to farm gold and sell it for them, so gold selling is almost impossible to remove from the equation
Blame it on the fact that WoW is such a sucessful mmorpg
But to answer your question, yes, if there was a way to entirely remove RMT from the game, GDKP would be okay
I get that, but with a proper guild you can alleviate a lot of the solo farming for consumes and enchant. We usually run dungeon with guildies and one enchanter. The enchanter takes all the gears we don’t need and fills the bank with mats that are free for all guildies.
I usually run mining/engineering for PvP. I can at least provide some ores to the guild and trade for other mats/consumes. One guild I runned with for some time provided free flasks for healers and tanks.
Again, GDKP is convenient, but it also allows solo-playing too much since you can then buy what you can’t farm. When I say too much, I mean it in the way the game is designed. Obviously the game is designed around Guilds.
People need to cooperate in order to have a decent raid geared/enchanted/consumed.
GDKP bypasses that design and it may also be an argument why Blizzard decided to ban it.
Ok you are right about that aspect. Community/Family kinda guilds are the best, i couldnt find one since forever. I had one in my og realm zandalar tribe back in 2019. AQ War effort quest got us. Literally whole server crumbled. And we transfer out. Even in perfect utopia gdkp kinda crashes tight knit guilds.But I heard some big guilds were running gdkp as their main loot system. So if you are good friends with the ppl you raid with you can make it work. Maybe you can make newbies gets things half price etc.
If they can’t ban bots or RMT, they have to ban GDKPs.
And we have to push for them to ban it in ERA too.
I love to see how the GDKP nerds are going crazy
Tip for all those nerds: buy yourself a life, not gold
This is exactly what i am talking about ppl with pure gdkp hatred. You guys turn it into fanaticism after that there is no reasoning. Have i ever said i am not playing if no gdkp. I can live without gdkp but i have a bunch of friends, none of em are swipers i would like to clarify that. And they wont play without gdkp. For example i got this friend he lives in au plays in eu he always plays on odd hours. Hard to find a raiding guild for him. Even if he did he has *edited by mo bunch of ping. So he dont play that well who cares. And i would like to have him in the game. Anyway i dont see point arguing with you ppl i never asked blizz revert non-gdkp etc. I am just saying blizz be strict about rmt let ppl gdkp.
I honestly don’t get why a guild would prefer GDKP to DKP but it’s just my opinion. Having to spend gold whilst raiding with the same group of people is… kinda weird to me and not at all something I wanna experience.
Here’s another issue that I have with most pro-GDKP posting on this forum.
The only good aspect about GDKP to me is that it saves time. You didn’t loot on your first raid ? No big deal, at least you have enough to get your consumes/enchants and some more to buy gears next week. On paper, it’s supposed to be good for casuals and alts or if you have a weird work schedule (I used to work in restaurants and was booked most evening so raiding with a guild was complicated).
In practice though, how do you enter a GDKP if you have no gear and no gold to begin with ? I mean, realistically, you need to bring either one to the table. Either you parse or you spend. And a casual player in ERA doesn’t have alts lvl 60. I’ve played Vanilla and was a casual at the time. It took me months to get my main lvl 60. I sure didn’t want to do it again.
Now, most pro-GDKP players on this forum have huge game time. You can tell by how they know the game like the back of their hand. Yet they’d rather run GDKP than play in a guild EVEN THOUGH they have the availability for attendance, they have the game-time needed to farm rep/consumes and even the time to level multiples alts.
That’s when I think there’s something more behind that frenzied dedication to such a loot system. If you like the game, you don’t really care if the loot system is SR>MS>OS, DKP, Council or whatever else.
But threatening to quit or not play a game just because your preferred loot system isn’t available doesn’t speak of loss of convenience, it speaks of loss of income.
Yeah, I get that it’s frustrating for your friend but realistically, why should Blizzard allow a known RMT-friendly loot system to cater to a very, very small genuine minority like you Ozzy friend ?