Canceled sub, casuals not appreciated by the developers enough

Yeah i would want anything like that far away from daily and world content.
Its things like putting sockets behind rep grinds that got world content gutted in the first place.
And as a world content player, i dont even care about adding sockets unless its like the simple neck enchant from the AH. Its of no loss to me if that sort of stuff is gone. :slight_smile:

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if you put a good mount title cosmetic set behind it , it’ll take attention like it did before.

Yes but they have rank systems and battle passes , good cosmetics skins etc. wow gives you one mount and maybe one title in 6 months of doing the same thing. the rest you just try to reach a virtual rating level that has zero meaning . it could be fun , but it’s not. and again, i don’t want it to be removed, it should stay and get improvements to make it more fun for people who prefer that content.

Repeating the same content in PvP has variety because you’re playing against people who behave different each time. PvE is against the same bot in the same scenario.

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Only with different people and the first 5 people can easily kill the said…bot. But the next 5 people for some reason can’t. Its not black and white as you claim…

Where is Tah when you need him. Aight. Gonna play the devils advocate…

A wild casual player has appeared = Cosmetics doesn’t help me kill the boars quicker! I want to grow more stronger so I can kill those 10 boars in 1 seccond instead of 2!!! :muscle:

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90% of your interactions are with the NPCs though, not with the 4 guys dodging the same circles as you.
And Sludgefist won’t suddenly run behind a pillar to los your chaos bolt. Adding replay value to PvE is immensely harder than to PvP. Which is why CSGO and LoL can play on the same map for 20 years while PvE players demand new raids and dungeons all the time, and rage when it’s recycled.

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World power progression is of course important too. Character growth is extremely rewarding.
Going from the start of the patch when things take a while to kill to ending up cutting through packs of them by the end just feels good.

How you get the gear and the route to upgrade it is just as important. Too fast and its boring. Too slow and its tiring. If its weekly content then youre less active throughout the week meaning youve less stuff to do.

Naturally however, there should be a limit on what is and isnt achievable.
I have come to believe that world gear should end up at the same place that lfr gear does.

If its worse than lfr gear, then lfr completely overshadows the work youre doing.
If world gear is better than lfr, then lfr becomes redundant and you dont bother doing it.
And if theyre equal to each other, then you can do both and thats awesome. Especially since world players and people who do lfr overlap as a demographic.

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And this is always the tension point. I heard enough…arguments that killing boars should give you mythic gear with the excuse being used “should take a while longer to…compensate”.

i think he quit… even he is gone. you can also make challenging open world content to give good gear but that requires many changes in the game, doesn’t seem possible to do in wow and right now we can get 424 which is fine as long as it’s good enough to do the solo challenges or higher geared players getting scaled to 424 when they do that particular challenge for example. if we had good cosmetic rewards from actually doing some content but no gear i wouldn’t complain this much.

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Why running low level M+ or LFR is out of casual mindset these days? Frankly, even normal raid is sooooooooooo casual and easy it’s a crime to avoid it if you play this game.

the problem is, WE will be forced to do this mind numbing, tedious content.

If we cant force you to do our content (which is fair) why should we be forced to do yours?

I know you said we aren’t forced to do it…but blizzard WILL force anything they spend time on.

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Those have a very strong and difficult mechanic which only the most gifted people can overcome.

Joining a group and playing with others. Maybe even doing the most impossible, unforgivable, sinful thing ever = socializing.

If you are a loner, the game is not for you - it’s MMORPG which lost its RPG part mostly but it’s MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER AND ONLINE.
I don’t get it, back when I was a casual I still ran ez group content. I’m perplexed to think what current casuals expect.
If they are given another Mage Tower like feature, they will cry it’s too hard and time consuming for a casual xDDDDDDDD

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You can go casually walk in Elwyn Forest.

because this is an open world mmorpg and not everyone who asks for casual content means easy content. lower keys or normal raid both are jokes to me . i won’t enjoy it unless it’s mythic but i don’t have time for that or pushing +25 with a good team . however, I would be here for a quicker challenge idk if you play eso but it has arenas that you can solo and get good rewards quickly or at least try and log off. wow’s endgame is only about instanced content right now and it’s a shame for a game on this scale.

no you won’t . your gear will be better or equilevant/same so you won’t be forced to do it. it’s not like the forbidden reach gear.

yes and that’s their fault why you guys are all so against us because they traumatised you with chores but it doesn’t have to be like that. there are many ways to make sure that m+ or raid players won’t be forced to do it and i am willing to go into more detai llike making solo challenges share lockouts with raids etc. or just make good cosmetic sets as rewards.

i’m not against group content, i’m against group GRIND. it’s really not hard to understand.

casual doesn’t only mean solo or easy content that’s where you’re wrong. i gave you an example but clearly you have no experience in any other mmo so you didn’t get it.

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I am not allergic to other people so I agree with what you are saying.

Unfortunately the moment you say “group up, find friends, join communities and etc etc etc.”

They immiedetly start throwing their pre-canned excuses:
I got social anxiety!
I got 5 jobs, 10 hamsters to feed. I dont have time to shedule my time for others!
People are toxic and not lining up to talk to me!

and many more obviously…

The term “casual” itself is extremely subjective and people will always twist it to meet their needs.
Casual can mean doing easy stuff. Casual can mean sticking to WQs, leveling or collecting.
Heck Ive seen people claiming themselves to be “casual” while they mythic raid. Asking, why they think they are casual? Answer: I just raid once a week, not like those hard core people doing it 3-4 times a week.
Some m+ also claim to be casual but at the same time doing +20s(in time) because “Just doing it for the weekly. Not one of those hardcore which are chasing rio for 0.5% top”.

And all of them are right cause the term “casual” does NOT have a defined starting and ending border. So what is a casual player? Well…ask 10 people here and you will get 10 different answers alone.

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Could you give us a bit more specifics , i’m a casul and opinion will always be that an opinion.

But what makes you feel bored ? I got 3 toons and I just run lfr and do some Wq’s and I’m having a blast

Nobody said you would or should be forced into anything.

The game I mentioned doesn’t force this on you at all, and I don’t think even blizz would force casual content on anyone. Because its just that, casual.

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Casual content means no socializing why exactly?

yeah but you can make all of them happy with few additions to the game . we’re even okay to get some old stuff back like someone asks for dailies, if those dailies have a good reward at the end of a rep then i’ll be okay with it too. right now, there isn’t anything for us to do in dragonflight, nothing new and with good rewards.

i want challenging solo content like mage tower. but i’m also ok with reps giving good cosmetics rn all renown rewards are ugly and boring and many people already filled them out. wqs can be done in an hour and they don’t give much either, not enough gold, no cosmetic options, no good gear. lfr takes 30 mins queue time and like i said , i don’t like doing the same raid over and over again it’s way more boring than doing dailies. for one last time, i, myself, am not trying to get more easy content here. even ‘‘hard’’ things in this game are not hard imo.