I don’t think it’s elitist for dungeons and raids to drop gear at appropriate ilvls to the content being completed. That was a fair system imo.
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Fair but not very social and open. So in other words; elitist.
I should know, I was part of it in vanilla. I cleared every single raid in vanilla with the exception of Naxx final bosses because by then my dislike of raiding was growing. In TBC I stopped raiding for the most part and only joined when my guild really needed someone.
It was catering to a minority. Bad, bad, bad business. Only reason why WoW did so well is because it was the most accessible mmorpg of its time and ofc it had that Blizzard touch. Thank god they changed their way, WoW is such a better game nowadays. Even with all its faults, I’m sure that at the end of BfA it will be a better expansion than TBC ever was (which isn’t hard tbh, since imo TBC was the absolute low point of WoW’s history).
I don’t think it’s elitist. On the other hand I’ve never really understood why someone who doesn’t do raiding would need higher level gear.
I didn’t raid until WotLK and before that I did fine in my casual gear.
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In terms of what? Story? Probably, given almost everything from TBC has been retconned or twisted to make sense as it made none to begin with. Zone design? Probably, mostly thanks to the sole fact that WoD did not funnel every single player into one zone to start with.
Progression, longevity and endgame? Absolutely not, even amazing fights like Blackhand can not pull this one out because there simply was not enough of them and one admittedly stellar boss still does not compare to Karazhan, Tempest Keep and Black Temple as a whole.
Oh I don’t need it to be high. Just good enough to make it feel like an upgrade. That’s all I want; to continue to advance my character in a meaningful way. I never asked for mythic raid level gear.
There’s no point arguing with the, You’re wrong and they’re right. You’re opinion is wrong, the only right one is there’s. You’re never going to prove anything to them. They’ll just tell you that it’s “being an elitist” (Though I’m guessing they don’t even know what that word means) and that everything is so much better now than it used too be, even though sub numbers and other things says otherwise.
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Something that you posted somewhere else. You don’t need it to be high, but
So, you don’t want it to be high, but if it’s lower than a +10 ilvl upgrade, it’s not enough?
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I will reply to this post because for the first time in like 10 posts, you’re not actually flaming and calling me names.
And yes, that’s correct. I think, if a maximum TF amount would have to be implemented, +20 or +25 would be a good number. Mind you that this number would be the new max and so it would be extremely rare.
The very high maximum it has now is not needed. To me it’s fun, but not needed.
The fact that WoW declined in sub numbers is nothing abnormal for MMOS , that’s the trend on the market and not just with the game as old as WoW but with the genre in general. Newer generations of the gamers just aren’t interested to work in the game and to spend hours to get their character to some decent level. Some old players of the game moved on , or become more casual and the new generation of the gamers is now attracted with MOBA-a type of the games or the ones like Fortnite which are much more accessible for casuals.
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I’m an old-school guy.
If you don’t raid, nor PvP you should be running around in green and blue items.
Yes, there is more to the game than raiding. Go grab your rare battle pets. Ding that sweet achievement for X amount of WQs. Enjoy the lore. But no epics for you nd definitely no TFs.
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Good thing that you don’t run WoW then. It’d be a dead game otherwise.
Mythic gear can only forge +10 due to the max ilvl cap in the game, so what you want is a system that punishes the highest end players, for what reason exactly?
Equality is not a justifiable reason obviously since you want an unequal possibility for an increase, at least with the system right now.
Would it then be okay if the cap is lifted and everything gets +20 or +25 so everything gets shifted up equally on average? Cause at that point I have to ask what the point is given everyone just gets an arbitrary power increase that does not really do anything other than being a random power increase.
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You really think you have a right to moan about people calling you names? You’ve done nothing but call every person that has disagreed with you an “elitists”. You need to stop using that word, you don’t know the meaning of it clearly. You’ve flamed others and belittled every person who has disagreed with you, and yet have the audacity to complain about someone “flaming and calling names”. You’re a real funny person, you know that.
Your mind fascinates me, how you can be SO delusional into thinking everything you say is gold, and you do absolutely nothing wrong. It intrigues me how your brain works like this.
Warforge should only go to +5 and Titanforge would only go to +10. That way, the next level of difficulty would be an “upgrade” no matter what. Max you can get from LFR would be 350. Min from normal 355, so on and so on.
It should also be a lot rarer than it is right now, because most gear that I have seen drop has at least warforged. It’s just being handed to players, and it shouldn’t be.
Not to mention, they should remove all these welfare pieces of gear. They should all things like Warfronts and WQ’s give gear, but never to the same quality as raiding gear. So, in other words, no higher than 350 gear. This is because it’s an MMO, which means Multiplayer. If someone avoids doing the “multiplayer” part of the game, then they need to be made aware that they’ll be handicapping themselves with upgrades. They shouldn’t be able to solo play this game (And when I say this, I mean not do content with guilds/communities or friends. Anything that auto-creates itself, like LFR/LFD is considered to be solo content) and be on the same level as those who join into the multiplayer aspect of the game.
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Okay, you started right away again. So this is my final reply to you… again.
You just don’t learn.
All I will say is; It’s GOOD you don’t have any say about what Blizzard does. If you would be making the decisions this game would be long dead and buried.
You, as a minority, do not get to dictate how the majority plays this game, thank goodness. I LOVE Blizzard being so open about TF doing good for the game and making it clear it’s here to stay.
Now then, have a nice life.
Maybe.
Year by year there are fewer people playing this game who actually want to put in the effort and earn stuff. Maybe you are right and most of the player-base just wants the free handouts, but I like to think this is not the case…yet.
What happened with the good old “you want something? Work for it” principle?
Ashbringer should have been a legendary drop exclusively from a mythic raid boss. Maybe Gul’dan, but I guess that didn’t fly so well with the “accessibility” of the game. So sad.
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In nearly every one of your post you’ve said people are “elitists” with how they play. Again, being delusional and hypocritical.
I don’t need to learn, I’m having fun at seeing how far your ignorance and delusions really go. You are by far one of the most delusional people I have ever met. It’s actually quite amazing.
And you, as ONE PLAYER do not get to tell people to “quit the game” and that they are playing it wrong because they do not play it like you. And yet, you still do it. You say how others play the game is “being an elitist”. So, in other words, you’re saying that how some others play the game is wrong.
How is me saying that Warforge and Titanforge needs to be capped telling you how to play the game? I’d really love to know. Quote me on where I am telling you how to play the game, and I’ll quote every time you’ve told someone “they are playing it wrong” and they are “being elitists” with how THEY play.
I’m saying that in a gear progression style game, removing the progression is a BAD thing. How is it fair that an LFR raider is able to get a 55 ilvl upgrade on an item, but a Mythic raider is only able to get a 10+ How is it fair that a LFR raider is about to get a much higher upgrade to an item than ALL of the harder difficulties?
Why is it such a problem to have wf/tf being capped at 5/10 ilvls? And having the welfare gear only being able to get to what LFR gives you max (So 350). You’ve said before you only have 1-2 pieces of wf/tf gear. So, if this was implemented, that would mean you still have PLENTY of slots where you can “advance” your character, right?
At the moment, Blizzard are almost clueless with what their playerbase wants. They’ve made SO many mess ups when it comes to BFA, where it’s to the point of “You think you do, but you don’t”. They are TELLING us what we now want. And, people like you, who are so blinded by your delusions, are following this. And this in itself is what’s going to cause the downfall of WoW.
Once all of the higher end content runners have had enough and left, that would just leave casuals. Raids will almost become non-existent, difficulty would be removed from the game, everyone would be able to get the best things in the game with little effort. THIS is the type of “gameplay” casuals keep screaming for, and it’s killing ANY progression within this game.
Usually, I love having discussions with people like you, because you present your opinions well and give reasons as to why you have those opinions. This creates a very good discussion. But, the MOMENT we started, you had already called me an elitist and told me that I should just “quit the game” because of how I enjoy playing the game.
You then proceeded to call em toxic, insulting and abusive, and the nail in the coffin was you making the comment of “You must have mental problems”. All of these phrases are used to belittle someone! You don’t agree with my opinions, and so you accuse me of things I never did. I only started calling you entitled, because you did nothing but call me an elitist and toxic.
And now, I’m calling you delusional because you constantly complain about someone making “mean comments to you” and yet do it to EVERY person that has a different opinion as yours. This is a delusional way of thinking, and it’s not healthy!
I’ve never once told you HOW to play the game, you do what you enjoy, no one is stopping you. The only thing I’ve said is that you’re receiving items you DO NOT NEED and Blizzard are ruining the progression of gear because of Welfares and WF/TF gear. Nothing that I have said has ever been me telling you how to play the game. I’ve always said how I play the game personally, and how a lot of other people do as well.
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Sounds like an awesome game I’d want to play.
No, not right. There’s 5 slots that can’t TF already in BfA. So I’m already capped with those items. It’s BORING. I’m BORED.
I want meaningful advancement, just like almost any other mmorpg player. That’s all I want and no +10 on a very very very rare occasion is NOT meaningful.
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And this is where you show your entitlement. You want everything in a game with minimal effort. That is the definition of entitled. If all of what I said happened, WoW would be no more.
If you want meaningful advancement, then you WORK towards getting that advancement. It’s IN THE GAME already! You just have to put a little bit of time to go through the harder content! But no, you don’t want to do that, you want to be fed on a silver platter. You want everything to just be handed to you because you “play the game”.
This is NOT how MMORPG’s work. Go play every other MMORPG out there and tell me how easy it is for you to get the best things in those games. There are plenty of games out there that are not like this, so maybe you should quit WoW and go play them, since this doesn’t seem to be the type of game you seem to enjoy?
So you have 390 chest Shoulders and head and a +10 weapon? I think congratulations are in order for extraordinary luck from the m+ cache/clearing up to mythic Zul.
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