Removal of old ‘classic’ world to zones we already have in retail
classes get homogenized by a large margin in cata. Mages getting TW come to mind
While this isn’t yet as far as it’s current state in retail, it was the first expansion where they would give previously unique spells to other classes.
Raiding became much harder and heroic mode became the mode for hardcore guilds
Again nog like it’s now in retail with 3 difficulties but heroic on retail (now) is much easier than it was when heroic was the final difficulty for raiding. This was the whole reason the made mythic, normal was too easy and hc was too hard, so they wanted middle-ground for guilds (nevermind lfr)
More focus on other activities than raiding
Cata introduced transmog in the second half of the expansion. With this running old raids for sets became a mainstream activity. Later expansions added more stuff but it started in cata, again.
Just to put it out there: I don’t think cata is a bad expansion. It was still popular and it might be again when blizz decides to re-release it, but it’s not a classic expansion.
‘Classic’ is a trilogy. The first three expansions are so vastly different than how the game is now. Cata changes this.
I’m not saying they should release classic+, this is a whole different discussion, but to me waiting a year or so and then re-releasing classic like it was in 2019, with the promise of going through TBC and Wrath again is the most logical to keep ‘classic’ alive.
Yes we have ERA but that is only (static) vanilla. In a -few- years a whole lot of people will be clamoring for a fresh experience again.
I agree with you on Wrath but what radical changes did TBC bring that made it less classic? By that logic the Era servers aren’t even classic with all of the changes they made since it’s release in 2019.
No argument from me, but no use trying to push back if the Classic B Team have already made the decision to force all players to downgrade to Cataclysm without the option to remain on a Wrath-era server. Only thing to do is vote with our wallets and cancel our subs.
Honestly I wish I could just get some clarification on the matter. I’m hesitant to put anything except token effort into my alts because doing so feels like a waste of time and effort if I’m just going to lose them all the the awful Cataclsym expansion - everything I do in the game feels temporary, with the threat of having the game pulled from under me looming overhead.
Transmog makes people raid more, how is this a bad thing? I don’t get this as an argument?
Most of the bad things Cata did started with WoTLK anyway. Wrath was the turning point, a lot of people were just too blind to see that. I thought WoTLKC might’ve opened a few more eyes but I guess not.
Nothing has been said about whether there’ll be WoTLKC-era realms. Blizzard may yet change their minds of that, as they have pretty much everything else.
Dark portal pass was a big no-no from a lot of the player base.
Oh I love transmog. Like I said these are just facts, without my opinion.
Hmm can be debated I guess. In my view cata really pushed through most changes that are still used in retail, but sure some of them like dual specc started in wrath.
Yeah that one was bad, but once the drama settled down this wasn’t something that was felt ingame. Being triggered by a mount running past you is cringe anyway, especially if that mount fits the theme of TBC. Besides after a month or so most people forgot it was a store bought mount anyway.
What I mean is stuff like the m+ dungeons in wrath. Compared to how wrath is going TBC stuck to the OG pretty well I think.
I suggest you read the second part again then. I personally don’t see a point in re-releasing cata since it’s not classic anymore. That said cata wasn’t that bad of an expansion.
I could see why you think that, but I disagree. No point in re-releasing a product that is very similar to what we already have. It has to stop somewhere, else one day we get the travesty that will be SL classic.
It will only stop if people stop playing, and only time will tell about that, if you think they won’t go directly through every xpac, you may be delusional.
I have to ask, if they offer cataclysm, and that doesn’t interest you, why do you care at all?
Yeah true, in fact we don’t even know for sure if there will be Cata servers.
But forced expansion ‘upgrade’ could happen, and I fully expect it to happen. I’d be very surprised if I’m allowed to keep playing on a Wrath-era server given Blizz’s decision at the end of TBC.
Which is already happening in wrath. And before you ask, no I don’t have hard numbers but it’s obvious a large part of the previous wrath-classic playerbase has left.
No need to insult, is there? It’s a discussion about a game, loosen up.
I might give it the old collega try, but it’s not something I’m specifically waiting for. And I care because, like I said in my op, I much rather have a reset of classic 2019, TBC and all.
It’s my opinion that just going forward will result in people screaming for a fresh/progressive classic reset in a year or so. Hey they’ve got it once so why not again right? There’s always private servers I guess.
Whatever you say, it’s clear you can’t or won’t see my side of the arument. Which is fine ofc, but calling people delusional because they have a different opinion is in bad taste imo.
Last reply to you because you seem to cherry-pick quote anyway: wrath playerbase is declining ever more, new stuff added lose them more subs than they win, which mean people have zero trust in current blizz handling these expansions, cata will be botched up even more probably. Combined with my arguments it’s not deserving of the classic tag since 50% of the stuff included is already in retail makes it not a safe bet to invest in. My opinion ofc.
I still maintain that almost everything anyone could want from Cataclysm is already there in the retail client - with a couple of exceptions.
The Shattering/revamped old world - check
Cataclysm 5-mans - check
Cataclysm raids - check
Cataclysm BGs - check
New features - transmog, rated BGs, LFR, guild levels etc. - check
So that leaves us with the older, truncated talent trees, Hunters still having mana and I guess some classes have been buffed/nerfed since but that’s about it. Maybe Archeology too? Is that still even in the game?
So if people’s burning desire to play Cataclysm comes purely down to wishing to play with the older talent trees, and to have mana on their Hunters instead of focus then I suppose that’s fair enough. But I’d be very surprised if most of the people on here regarded any of that as a huge deal breaker.
