Cell/VuHdo/Healbot-Midnight

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Dreamkore-silvermoon

There was already a healer shortage galore, wonder if this will make it even worse

considering how its borderline impossible to heal without healing addons you can take a wild guess

the toxicity in pugs will reach all time peak too because people simple wont be able to perform without WAs

this is a change which should take years to implement not 3 months of alpha

but hey - real men test in production dont they ?

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Uda-uldum

Stop being so stubborn. Play a healer for once in your life because you keep thinking that a healer is a DD. It is NOT.

Between you and me, I played a holy priest to 1200 last season and I absolutely hated it lol. Just some friends.

It’s just not for me. I don’t enjoy it. I have never enjoyed WoW healing, I have tried resto druid, I have tried mw monk, I have tried holy priest, and I hate playing every single one of them.

I HAVE TRIED.

It wasn’t hard, it was World of UICraft and I don’t like it.

I’ve considered the preservation evoker because it doesn’t target heals so much, but I honestly cba. I can tank though, but it has to not be ultra twitchy and annoying like it is right now.

@Uda-uldum

You are asking us to stop focusing on our main JOB, the main area of gameplay and look at what mobs are doing? WHO they are targeting and with WHAT?

No, I’m asking you to focus on your job instead of allowing you to ask your addon to focus on your job.

@Uda-uldum

Please play a healer. And stop pretending like we are a DD with resources we spend like Rage or whatever.

Healers have a mana bar.

@Uda-uldum

Who said 0.5% of players? People wipe on Priory 1st pack on a +10 because of an overlap between Thunder Clap and ONE “Smite” or “Shoot” from some random dude.

A +23 is impossible because the thunderclap 1-shots you. But everything else bellow it, its a matter of kicking the right thing at the right time. And people dying to combo-wombos because they fail to counter those things.

So its not the 0.5%. Its the 99.5% im talking about.

I did, and we’re not talking about this expansion. I accept this expansion without addons would be a disaster. I have accepted this the whole time.

[Uda-uldum]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

I HAVE TRIED.

It wasn’t hard, it was World of UICraft and I don’t like it.

Well then you understand that the healer mini-game is what it is. Its health bars going up and down. There is nothing more to it.

And if you want to change the healer gameplay, you have to delete WoW and make WoW2 or something.

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

@Uda-uldum

You are asking us to stop focusing on our main JOB, the main area of gameplay and look at what mobs are doing? WHO they are targeting and with WHAT?

No, I’m asking you to focus on your job instead of allowing you to ask your addon to focus on your job.

You dont understand anything of what I am saying. Focusing on WHAT exactly?

OK. Let me put it this way. As a DD you are looking at a pack of mobs. ONE of them is casting something. You see that, click on the dude and do something about it.

What is the PoV of the healer? I am looking at the Party-Frame minigame. Im looking at bars go up and down. And I am casting stuff on those boxes. That is my minigame.

So that same dude is casting something. HOW exactly do you want to do my job?

• Look up at the pack of mobs, identify the mob casting something. Figure out WHO he is casting something to… is that person at 20% or at 100%? Will he live or die?
• Is there going to be a big AoE soon? Am I in an urgen situation where I have to pop a “OMG” CD or not? And how do I do this? I look at the group of mobs and look for the one casting something or what?
• By looking in and out of my party frames, what happens to that damage I am not paying attention to? How do I know who to heal while I am not looking at the party frames?

Can you see now that in practice, what you are asking is simply not what healing is all about?

Addons dont play for me. All they do is take the stuff going on in the pack of mobs and translate that into the praty frames. So I can focus on doing the healer job. That’s what VohDoo does.

It does NOT tell you what spells to cast. In fact, may I remind you that there is no such a thing as a “healer simulator” or a “hekili” or a “1 button macro” for healers. Because there is no addon that can even come close to “playing for you”.

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

@Uda-uldum

Please play a healer. And stop pretending like we are a DD with resources we spend like Rage or whatever.

Healers have a mana bar.

We do.

A good DD is a DD that spends it’s resources as fast as possible. More resources, more finishers. More DD.

A good healer is a healer that spends ZERO mana and ends the combat with a full bar. The less HPS a healer does, the better he is. So its the inverse of a DD. The less, the better.

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

I did, and we’re not talking about this expansion. I accept this expansion without addons would be a disaster. I have accepted this the whole time.

Got it. But there are things that simply cant change. DDs WILL get targeted by stuff in Midnight. There is no chance that there are dungeons with no AoE damage. No “fireballs”… none of that.

And because they must exist, then dungeons will be similar to the ones today. You simply cant avoid that. So we will have identical issues as we have today.

But with OUT addons.

[Snackstation-wild-growth]

@Uda-uldum

SECOND: VohDoo (and others) allow the distiction between friendly and hostile. So right click on a friendly is a heal. Right click on a hostile is Lava Burst.

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help][help] Riptide; [@mouseover,harm][harm] Flame Shock; Riptide

You can do this for chain heal/chain Lightning and so on.

[Snackstation-wild-growth]

I will share my macros

#showtooltip
/use [@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][@player] earth shield

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help][help] Riptide; [@mouseover,harm][harm] Flame Shock; Riptide

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help][help] healing wave; [@mouseover,harm][harm] lava burst; healing wave

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help][help] healing surge; [@mouseover,harm][harm] lightning bolt; healing surge

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help][help] chain heal; [@mouseover,harm][harm] chain lightning; chain heal

#showtooltip
/use [@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][@player] Purify Spirit

#showtooltip
/run if GetSpellCooldown(“HEALING RAIN”) == 0 then SendChatMessage(“COME CLOSE FOR HEALING RAIN!”,“say”) end
/use Healing Rain

[Uda-uldum]

@Snackstation-wild-growth

@Uda-uldum

SECOND: VohDoo (and others) allow the distiction between friendly and hostile. So right click on a friendly is a heal. Right click on a hostile is Lava Burst.

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help][help] Riptide; [@mouseover,harm][harm] Flame Shock; Riptide

You can do this for chain heal/chain Lightning and so on.

So I trade an addon with everything already baked for me… for having to write macros? Does that seem reasonable for you? A better alternative?

So all this Blizzard’s idea of making things more “user friendly” implies writing down a macro for every spell? REALLY?

Also…

Those are not click on party frames. You have to put those macros in your bar. Press a button (1 to 6 or something) and then click on the frame.

AND mouseover includes clicking someone in your screen (outside the party frames). Which you usually want for something else.

Just saying. Macros stink. Its not even a better alternative to the addons.

[Snackstation-wild-growth]

@Uda-uldum

Those are not click on party frames

Mouseover is better than clicking. You can mouseover a player or their frame - no need to click!

@Uda-uldum

having to write macros

It’s built into WoW so why not?

[Uda-uldum]

@Snackstation-wild-growth

Mouseover is better than clicking. You can mouseover a player or their frame

Right. Never had an issue with big target boxes of raid bosses?

As in: you want to cast a heal on a player but cast flameshock on the boss instead? Because he is 1 pixel too close to the hitbox?

Or in an M+ pack… missclick on a mob? Ever tried to heal a tank or a melee like that?

This coment is so full of bull. Honestly.

@Snackstation-wild-growth

@Uda-uldum

having to write macros

It’s built into WoW so why not?

Because:

@Uda-uldum

So all this Blizzard’s idea of making things more “user friendly” implies writing down a macro for every spell? REALLY?

Its the main reason to get rid of addons!

[Snackstation-wild-growth]

@Uda-uldum

Right. Never had an issue with big target boxes of raid bosses?

Then mouseover the player frames.

[Sinaaki-argent-dawn]

Macros are great for seasoned players, but if the whole idea is that getting addons are too complicated for the average player… Macros doesn’t seem like the solution for it.

[Uda-uldum]

@Snackstation-wild-growth

Then mouseover the player frames.

And when you want to change the camera. Or move with your mouse… instead of with AWSD like the noobs?

The macros are inneficient because its 2 buttons for what a raid-frame click keybind of VohDoo provides (just 1 click). And the blizz default raid-frame keybinds work just like the macros, which are even worse. Because if you click on a boss wanting to change the camera angle, you try to cast “healing wave” on the boss and it tells you “you cant do that”. Intead of changing the camera angle.

There is a reason why most healers use VohDoo, Clicke, Healbot or Cell. Litereally ALL of them.

[Snackstation-wild-growth]

A lot has changed in WoW since the early days.

We must adapt or move on.

[Uda-uldum]

@Snackstation-wild-growth

A lot has changed in WoW since the early days.

We must adapt or move on.

Exactly. You are 100% correct.

Be ready to wait for a healer in Midnight. I doubt even the most seasoned healers will torelare to heal in this absolute garbage of a UI.

[Ashdrassil-minahonda]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

It’s just not for me. I don’t enjoy it. I have never enjoyed WoW healing, I have tried resto druid, I have tried mw monk, I have tried holy priest, and I hate playing every single one of them.

I HAVE TRIED.

It wasn’t hard, it was World of UICraft and I don’t like it.

Yep, that check outs. Thats why you think CD manager will be a real alternative to addons.

[Tsjardi-argent-dawn]

@Snackstation-wild-growth

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help][help] Riptide; [@mouseover,harm][harm] Flame Shock; Riptide

This is a very good way to spend your Riptide charges unvoluntarily, just because you have your mouse on the pack and some DH is zooming around it.
This is exactly why we use an addon like Clique. So we can bind to only unitframes. With macros like this we completely lose control over the spell/ability we use.

[Ishayo-tarren-mill]

@Ashdrassil-minahonda

Yep, that check outs. Thats why you think CD manager will be a real alternative to addons.

I’m not saying it is. I’m saying the addons you’re using should be taken away.

@Uda-uldum

Addons dont play for me. All they do is take the stuff going on in the pack of mobs and translate that into the praty frames. So I can focus on doing the healer job. That’s what VohDoo does.

So in other words it’s doing a bunch of translation from the game world, performing a whole lot of logic, and making the game easier so you don’t have to look at the world.

I don’t know why you continue to persist in believing that I want to replace the addon with an equivalent, nor do I know why you love your healer bars. Your party frame is as much your game as enemy frames are mine.

I really am not enjoying this discussion. I don’t want to play healer, and if I did the last thing I want to do is stare permanently at a grid of health bars.

I will not miss any of this, and I am resolutely against allowing things like VuhDo if it means I have to play rotations the way I do now, which it does, because VuhDo as it exists now clearly can’t be made without COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED.

So what if I have to wait 40 minutes for a healer. I mean i won’t - it’s an empty threat - but even if I did I’d rather Blizzard finds a way to make healers look at the game world instead of letting you confine yourself into only looking at raid frames. No, it’s not the whole game. Stop saying that, it’s ridiculous.

[Ashdrassil-minahonda]

@Ishayo-tarren-mill

I’m not saying it is. I’m saying the addons you’re using should be taken away.

Again, checks out that you dont play heal. Enjoy not finding any healer for your groups.

[Sinaaki-argent-dawn]

How do you intend for us to heal without looking at frames? That just sounds weird. We will still be looking at frames, just the standard blizz UI ones instead of whatever ppl are using now (does not mean we aren’t looking at the world aswell, most of us manage to do both, we kinda have to to deal with all the same mechanics dps are dealing with).

[Therien-zenedar]

Let’s not pretend people haven’t beta tested TWW 12-15 key range before this, or the expansion before. Without addons.

Maybe not the current 18-21 range but the “high range” keys are doable without addons. Take your hysteria down several notches, please.

[Ashdrassil-minahonda]

The audacity of this guy of admitting he doesnt bothered to even learn how to play heal, but then teaching a main heal how he should play the game.