No; I want the game to be a certain way.
That that means it would be limiting to you is unfortunate, but sorry, I care more about MY fun than I do about yours. As I’m sure you do too.
So please don’t try and demonize me. Every single player wants the game to be (more) fun for THEM. That’s completely fine.
Well, I mentioned many times, that my main issue is, how WCL and content creators/wowhead portray those numbers wrongly, and how it destroys the game by promoting a non-optimal ego-driven gamestyle, while blizzard actually creates their talent trees with team play in mind. Not parsing.
Then another site will take its place. You’ve changed nothing. Such curve will always exist, if only just based on sims and sims you can never stop as i’ve also already pointed out earlier even if Blizzard were to completely stop sending anything through their API.
I’ve already addressed this above. Also Warcraftlogs has a ranking for clear speed and speed kills in general. And someone that doesnt play for the team will never advance in the guild world ranks.
They dont portray anything wrong. They show raw data. What the playerbase does with it is not on them.
You wont change peoples incapability to read the numbers correctly which then results in groups stacking the raid with WW monks to no end on Soulrender only to end up hitting enrage. The issue lies with people not understanding how to read the numbers as well as not understanding how the game works on a basic level.
Again prime example were Enha shamans during SoD. The spec was meta yet people thought that enhas were “giga bad, dont invite”
As for the content creators: Content creators talking rubbish. More news at 5. What do you think gets more views? Talking raw and cold facts (if they even understand those in the first place) or spouting gibberish and exaggerating everything because 99.9% of your viewership has no idea anyway?
Can you be more vague? If not, that’s fine. But if you can’t make an actual argument then it’s not even an opinion, just some random pointless preference like people who yell “remove LFR because I don’t like the fact that it exists!”.
So…because some content creators (who only care about views) spread nonsense, you’re actually suggesting to remove tools that people with a brain rely on to progress smoother through end-game content?
Are
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Me?
Well, it’s nice that you at least agree with the problem and its causes, but not with my solution, and that’s understandable. It’s not like we “vote”, and blizzard won’t do anything as drastic as I suggested, but I hope the problem can get some attention at least, since it definitely plays a huge part in why I lost interest in the pve side of the game.
I don’t want to. It’s late and I’m going to bed.
I’m just making it clear that it’s fine to disagree because we like different things.
Neither of us have to feel bad about that.
No i dont. The majority of the playerbase is bad and speaks out of their butt is nothing new. Its not just the case in WoW. You name a game and you have the same people again. This “problem” is never going to go away.
They cant fix it. Its impossible to deal with it on a noteworthy level.
It’s worth noting as well that WCL doesn’t just provide numbers. You can do a second by second playback of an encounter, showing positioning of everyone, buffs and debuffs and what spells they were using. We’re only a very casual raiding guild and probably don’t use WCL the way many others do - but primarily I use it to look over a fight afterwards, when we were having issues … to work out what those issues were and how to fix them. I don’t care about parses and numbers per-se (unless someone is consistently being the reason we fail to kill a boss, over several nights).
I think this is one of those instances where … if you don’t want to use it … just don’t use it. No-one is forcing anyone to use any external sites. For some, they help. For some, they’re essential.
I use spreadsheets and external sites (websites, discord, wowhead, WCL, etc) all the time. Sure I could do without … but it would make my job as guild and raid leader WAY harder than it already is.
Some guild/raid leaders don’t need, or want, to use external sites. And that is completely up to them. For someone else to arbitrarily tell everyone that no-one can use external sites anymore, because they don’t like them, is just not reasonable. And very much not likely to happen 
There is no problem. People can invite others based on any reason they want. If you don’t like it then make your own group and find likeminded players.
And if you find yourself alone, sitting in empty groups, do not be troubled for you are in the wrong, and nobody shares your opinion.
If you can’t even make an argument then I’ll just assume you’re here to troll, considering you’re suggesting to gimp someone else’s game experience for no apparent reason.
Yes, we like different things. I like having information and you don’t. “let’s agree to disagree”. 
You can assume whatever you want. That doesn’t make it fact or true though, just to be clear. Goodnight.
In what way does Warcraftlogs affect your solo player experience?
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So no proper answer. Making your posts void. Got it.
Precisely. That’s exactly what I’m suggesting. Many people are not smart sadly, or capable of intrpreting statistics. They will just see “ohh look 90, I must be the best of the raid”, while they just cleave down adds, when they are supposed to use single target abilities. As said, I would accept the middle ground, that wcl needs to change their UI and stop showing percentile numbers, since this information provides no actual value outside of hurting the game. DPS statisitcs with cheese parsers, that are being copied by most semi-hardcore people are also just damaging to the game, because people just play for individual damage/healing, as said, because that’s the shiny number showing your perfomance on first glance. Then we have sites like Wowhead showing the highest dps specs of the week, which is also non-sense, considering every class has different damage profiles and performs differently for each boss, while also some just bring very valuable utility, etc. Furthermore, we are dealing with youtubers bringing out tier lists every second day, where they just show the highest mythic raid dps specs on 90%ile. Completely useless information, but people listen to it -.-
Edit: We are not going to change eachother’s mind, and you know as well as me, that there is no real statistic to back up, what I say scientifically, because it’s impossible to have one here, unless I go ahead and make polls on my own, which I’m obviously not gonna do.
Great theory. Show me the proof of how impactful this is when it actually comes to being invited to pugs and I’ll submit it right away through my backchannel to Ion.
To be clear, I’m asking for proof about the number of misled pug leaders, not about the ones who interpret the data correctly regarding individual players or actually high performing specs.
To be even more clear, I’m not arguing whether this happens or not, just that it’s nowhere near relevant enough to justify the actions you’re suggesting.
You better grab sth since you’ll hear shocking news: that’s the deal with quite a lot of hobbies people are doing for fun.
If you want to become better in what you enjoy you’ll be looking at stats.
For soccer it’s the strategy plan what didn’t work last games, how to improve it.
For photography it’s the camera settings.
For chess it’s a certain situation that you’ll keep analyzing.
The best way to improve in dancing? Make a video and analyze it…
Same goes for other games, literally every good league player will tell you: if you want to improve, analyze your replays.
Literally every hobby has this. Some people are even having fun doing excel sheets for the stock market every day, enjoying trading shares.
“Most of the people this” “A lot of the people that”
You’re trying to make this into a big deal without providing any real proof that it’s a legitimate issue. It really does sound like you got shamed for crappy logs and now you need to vent on the forums.
It’s not up to me to remove it, but I think personally it needs to be done and most of the third party applications like addons in wow need to be shut down imo. You can disagree with me, but I ensure you, that I didn’t post this due to bad logs and, additionally, I don’t have any logs recorded at all since shadowlands. My problem is, that the wow mentality of running tons of third party applications, simming for personal dps, etc. is lame. I would find it more fun, if the goal was to push high raid dps percentiles instead of personal, but that’s not how players think sadly. The problem I have with simming is that it removes the mystery of your talent tree choices and how you can play the game. Those things caused wow pve to turn into an excel spreadsheet simulator.
So, you can disagree with me, insult me, tell me I’m a bad playet, yadayadayada. I feel very confident about my “potential” as a player, and I don’t need to prove anything to you, however, I simply think that the game being statistically “solved” removes its mystery.
So make the game miserable for people who don’t like the default ui and functionality?
Obviously the ui or TRP are not really game breaking or gives you any advantage or the source of grief and basically number-shaming