Choose your topping/seasonings for the next 2 years

Hey guys, (skip to last part of the post for the final test proposition)

So we will be making delivery of any of these next toppings/seasonings:

  1. Ketchup (Venthyr)
  2. Mustard (Kyrian)
  3. Mayonnaise (Night Fae)
  4. Salt and pepper mix (Necrolord)

…for the next 2 years, please let us know which one you will want for you to top/season off your meals with. :slight_smile:

But don’t fear, if you want, you can choose another fairly quick, though you will be giving up further shipments of your former choice for some time, until we can make the necessary paperwork and transportation re-arrangements (damn bureaucracy).

As such, please choose carefully, since your choice will have meaning… might dull your taste buds but it will have meaning… some kind of meaning… i guess, let’s see.

I mean, maybe you might go for ketchup (Venthyr) since you like to eat burgers :hamburger:(M+), but eventually you might want to eat some fries :fries: with fried chicken :poultry_leg:(Raids) and put some salt(Necrolord) on those fries :fries:… and pepper on the chicken :poultry_leg: (mmm spicy).

Or it so happens that you had that yesterday(or a few hours ago - you eat how much you want bro) and today you want some nice hot dogs :hotdog:(Arenas) and you like mustard(Kyrian) on that, none of that yuck ketchup(Venthyr) like some people do.

Or just maybe you wanted to eat some eggplant salad :green_salad:(dailies) or some beef salad :shallow_pan_of_food: (World PVP/Battlegrounds) and you could definitely use that mayonnaise (Night Fae).

Wait a second… but you can use mustard (Kyrian) on those burgers :hamburger: (M+) too, well you could, but do you want to? Do you like that? Cause i certainly do not like mustard (Kyrian) on my burgers :hamburger: (M+)!
How about you eat those fries :fries: and chicken :poultry_leg: (Raids) with some mayonnaise (Night Fae), I’d personally rather throw up tbh, you can choose to eat it like this though, I’m not judging your tastes.

What did you say? You can’t eat the fries :fries: and chicken :poultry_leg: (arenas and battlegrounds) with mayonnaise (Night Fae) even though you like it? Because you already chose ketchup (Venthyr) to get because you like burgers :hamburger:, but you also like fries :fries: and chicken :poultry_leg: (Arenas) with mayonnaise (Night Fae)?

But now you’re forced to eat fries :fries: and chicken :poultry_leg: (Arenas) with ketchup (Venthyr) but you definitely do not like the taste of that?
You also don’t like to eat eggplant salad :green_salad:(dailies) or beef salad :shallow_pan_of_food: (World PVP/Battlegrounds) with ketchup (Venthyr).

So basically, you have 1 choice, to eat different kinds of foods, doesn’t sound like pleasant design to me, it feels forced and literally distasteful.

If i log in i usually start with some dailies and maybe world PVP to go for that Call to arms quest, so i may chose Night Fae for the Vulpin aspect and movement related powers that come with it, even the soulbinds have such bonuses.
After which i head into some mythic raid with my guild, we gotta down the next boss on progress, so i chose Necrolord since that’s the best dps-wise.

Once raid time is over, maybe i’ll do some M+ for that weekly chest or maybe for some achievement and i want to take Venthyr cause Door of Shadows will allow us to try tactic X to finish it without issues and in-time so that the key doesn’t get downgraded.
Or maybe i go and do some Arenas for that cap so i chose Kyrian or hit some old raids and the best covenant for those is Night Fae due to the movement related abilities.

As the way this is setup now, i will have 1 choice to make and that’s it, it won’t matter what i like when doing different activities, i’ll have to chose what my main activity is and that’s it.
This is not giving us choice and player agency, this is limiting our choices.

Someone who wants to limit themselves to one covenant can do so of their own volition.
For anyone else who enjoys having multiple choices, this will make it so that we will not have any real choices. Instead of choosing what we want to play as when we change the content we are doing, we will not have that choice.

And don’t try to bring classes into this, classes are a choice you make when you start the game, everyone knows and is fine with this choice, not everyone is fine with limiting our classes in the next expansion through temporary systems, as can be seen from the multitude of posts regarding this subject.

If this is such a contradiction with the RPG goal, then have covenants be locked for Role Playing Realms, we would see this way who prefers to play with limited choices and who does not.
I’m willing to bet that not lots of people would limit themselves to only one choice.

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Damage aside, giving seriously potent and useful utilities to the covenants is pretty bad imo. I enjoy the aesthetics, armors and the feel of the Necrolords for my dk, and yet if I want to have actual fun utilities and useful mobility which dk sorely needs, I’d have to chose something else. That just feels bad.

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Exactly, it’s about choosing what you find most effective or fun to use for your covenant in regards to what activity you do in the game.

Doing old raids, i can say for sure that this is not my main activity in the game, but it’s something i enjoy as well. Not being able to pick Night Fae for the movement speed powers would make the covenant system disappointing and less fun.

did this really need yet another thread just so you guys can @#%@ eachother off some more about how ya’ll agree covenants are bad because you cant see past your own epeen?

boohoo you cant be optimal all the time, get over it

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I’m more of a mustard fella, ketchup is too sweet and mayo is good only home made. But that takes too much work.

Salt and pepper aren’t toppings tho.

As for covenants, I’ll just pick something I like visually since I’m not a min maxxer myself. I won’t do competitive play so staying in the middle is just fine.

I like pineapple on Pizza so I’ll go with that option even if it doesn’t get much use.

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So having fun is bad?
You said i can’t be optimal while doing old raids, having a higher movement speed ability is fun, it happens to be optimal as well.

Ketchup for my warlock and mage.
Mayo for my druid.

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I think that I’d prefer a bit of Roegadyn, or maybe a pinch of Hrothgar instead.

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ill have fun regardless of whatever covenant i pick because that choice isnt the only defining factor in my having fun or not

people are putting way too much weight on it

Honestly that choice would be way easier for me than choosing a covenant (it’s Mayonnaise obviously, it’s so versatile).

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Salt and pepper are toppings:
https:/ /www.merriam-webster. com/dictionary/topping
“placed on top of food for flavor” maybe you mix it in after, but it is that.

Also you don’t have to be a min/maxer to want to switch depending on what covenant you find fun for what activity you are doing.

@ Shadazzle
That’s fine and dandy, but maybe after having 5 meals with mayo, you want to put something else.
As things stand, you can do that, but you can’t go back to mayo for a while, without grinding/waiting on something.

Without locking, you can change your topping any time you feel like trying something out.

@Retriqt
Then this shouldn’t bother you if people can change to what covenant they want when they want.

Best thread of July. Shadowlands design is horribly bad

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it wouldnt bother me im just puzzled why it bothers you and others so much

it really shouldnt but if this would un-bother you then great

win-win

Salt and pepper are seasonings. Get your cooking knowledge straight.

Okay i give that they are classified as seasonings, but you can still top your food off with them.

@Retriqt
Because it limits my choices of using covenant abilities by 3/4 on something that is new in Shadowlands, the height of Blizzard design.

If you use salt and pepper as toppings there’s nothing else that can be tasted in your food.

Imagine a pizza with a layer of salt and pepper.

I chose my Mayo and I stick with my Mayo! Down with the Ketchup Loyalists!

Well i actually put a lot of salt on my fries… idk what to tell you.

I’ll even modify the title since you opened my eyes.

While I think that covenants won’t be that bad, I just want to say this is one of the best analogies I’ve seen in a while, either in the forums or out of them.

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