I really hope they continue to develop and expand the classes and races in cool ways that fit their lore and theme, allowing us more exciting options like this.
I must admit, i’d love to play a Night Elf Illidri fel lord caster… it would basically be the warlock, but interpreted differently to fit the Illidari lore/theme (which already is warlocky) kinda like the blood knights were for blood elf plaadins. and be available on character creation as the warlock slot for night elves.
I could never play a regular night elf as a warlock, and any story that all of asudden causes a normal night lef or one of htose redeemed highborne to be dealing with demons seems forced. but an Illidari warlock.
It could also be the long awaited “caster side of the demon hunter” - prior to Legion, many fully expected a caster spec for the demon hunters and were puzzled why it wasn’t given as ilildan was both a great sorceror and melee combatant, but I understood this was because the warlock class embodies most of that already and they felt 3 specs wouldn’t capture the concept playstyle as fully. However casting still remains an awesome part of the Illidan and a proper reflection in his Illidari demon hunters is a good and suitable development, so why not make it’s own class - its unique version of the warlock?
How it plays out
Like the blood knights, same spells everything, just the philosophy is different. Illidari hate demons, but work with them, command them devour them etc, they do all the things a awarlock does really, just with a different philosophy on demons. They aren’t fascinated by them or fuelled by lust for power to rule - no, they want the power to destroy them and ensure demons are never able to threaten our world.
Illidari Warlocks were the killed Sunfury Blood Elven Warlocks and Sunfury Blood Elven Summoners. Illidari Night Elf Warlocks, wouldn’t have had an intricate back story as they’d have been servants to the Illidari Council, with Veras, Malande, Gathios and Zerevor. Nor do I think that Night Elves would make decent lore warlocks anyway.
The other Elves do, especially the Blood Elves and Void Elves.
Illidari remnants are the current Illidari Demon Hunters.
I can’t see a night elf being a warlock caster, but I can see a night elf Illidari being an amazing one. Illidan was a powerful spell caster, these would be Fel casters that use green fel fire instead of fire by default as well as shadow magic.
They are Illidari night elves, not traditional warlocks like the Sunbury Blood Elven warlocks. Who are actual blood elf warlocks not really Illidari demon hunters.
I’m talking demon hunter casters. The Illidari model you use as a demon hunter being available as the night elf warlock
Blizzard doesn’t do race based class variations - night elves, forsaken, humans and trolls all get the same kind of priest. Such subtle lore as warlock differences on race to race basis is just a dream never to come true.
I’m not so sure. Because technically blood elves already have warlocks… so it’s not that they need this option.
On the NPCs, you could have blood elf Fel Lord caster demon hunters, but just not have the mode available. Alternatively they could find a way to allow the warlock class on blood elves to be able to select Illidari models.
On the night elves its easy as normal night elves can’t be that, so the Fel Lord Caster is an Illidari demon hunter caster that also starts in the same Mardum place… alternatively he could start at level one and they just ignore consistency like they normally do or say these guys are now joining in - or let them start at level 20 like allied races.
Or they could make the night elf start in Marduum, but the blood elf warlock at level 1 but allow the customisation as a bonus then, or only after your warlock reaches level 98 where you can pretend that you were instead an Illidari fel Lord caster.
No because it’s already established in-game that it’s a Blood Elf and Night Elf event.
Stop trying to block the Blood Elves out of the Illidari lore please. Whatever you want for the Illidari MUST apply to Blood Elves as they were the core representative race.
Night Elves were few and far between, whilst Blood Elves were the majority.
Funnyy, tha’ts how a lot of night elves feel when their lore is exported to the horde, as if to prevent them from having access.
But i wasn’t trying to do that, or i would not have offered several ways they could make it work.
Why do you think that anyway? From the videos we saw in legion, and the history of the demon hunters, the vast majority are night elves not blood elves. There were a large number of new blood elves being trained in karabor in TBC, but they were all wiped out, we saw some of their night elf teachers. But the reading the Illidan novel, the history we have that shows us there were demon hunter illidari throughout the long vigil, the oldest being Illysana Ravencrest. And the videos in Legion and representation even in the Class hall have more recognised nelf than belf ones, but the difference is small. Compare the 2-3 BElf to tthe 3-4 nelf for exmaple
Druid and demon hunter were a night elf thing started by each of the Stormrage twins, druids kicked off adding tauren to it, and demon hunters added blood elves, but they are one of the 4 classes from the lore that the elves start.
I still connect demon hunters largely with night elves, but i don’t feel uncomfortable with blood elven ones, even though they are more rare. But i’m pretty sure in time they would become primarily a blood elf thing, although i think as of Cata and Legion they were predominantly night elf.
But you are right, it blood elves do have as much right to them as night elves, because the lore has made that possible. I wasn’t trying to cut them out - just pointing out the same need for an Illidari version doesn’t exist for the blood elves because they already have the warlock class. But i did offer a few suggestions on how they could make it work.
The Class had to be on both sides because Blood Elves made equal sense to that of Night Elves.
Well you must have seen something different.
The Illidari lore consisted mainly of Blood Elves, Naga, Fel Orcs and Broken Draenei.
Blood Elves took up the Demon Hunter art and Night Elves, as indicated in Illidan’s novel, were few and far between.
No their wasn’t. Their was equal representation.
The only time the scales would tip to one race would be if a Night Elf Demon Hunter chose Altrius or a Blood Elf Demon Hunter chose Kayn.
I play a Blood Elf Demon Hunter because I wanted to be closely related to the Illidari core.
The Illidari core is a large group of races, working together to fight the Legion and that is what I wanted to stay attached to.
But they don’t “need” to do it.
You can’t simply break a class up, just to suit your love of night elves. It doesn’t work like that.
Whatever you do the class, whatever changes you make - it’s got to make sense for both races. It won’t happen now anyway, because Blood Elven and Night Elven Demon Hunter lore was explored during Legion and now they remain, as far as the common lore goes, on the Fel Hammer.
How else would devs know the things that excite you or upset you if you don’t talk about them or share them?
Paying your subscription gives you the right to access the forums, share your thoughts, ideas, feelings with the community which includes both developers and players.
This is what they are here for. A developer would love to know the things that would get you excited more about their game or the things you long for, or hte things that you aren’t happy with.
Elves are a hugely popular race, while undoubtedly some players hate them, and yes can completley avoid their lore and zones, a good 60-70 percent of the playerbase plays as either blood elves, night elves, void elves or nightborne - and love their lore, characterisation - tha’ts a lot of subs, things about your game that excites these players and would make them wnat to play more is something you definitely want to know.
And if some goon is wasting his time making a youtube video or writing an essay on your forums engaging the community, that’s up to him, it’s really free priceless feedback and info you can use to make your game more appealing and desirable to more and more people- which you need if youw ant to keep making money and more stuff.l
I know, but wouldnt’ it be cool if they did? We are getting more of it though in things like Tide sages, dark iron shaman, troll druids etc. I don’t think they need to do any masisve changes for Illidari fel casters - just let their default fire be green fire, and they use hte illidari models… only the lore needs to explain what’s going on, the class doens’t need to change.
However it woudl be cool if they started doing race based variations. I always thought dwarven shaman should have been wildhammer models, and night elf mages shoudl have gotten a unique highborne model… that they do with DKs and DHs
And I always thought they could have race varied the priests in the start, and they still should, cos it’d be cool
It makes you sound like a broken record, it is always night elf this, night elf that.
Never anything else from you.
Incorrect, you can interact with the forums without an active subscription.
You really think that the devs listen or care about EU forums?
Which is why Blood elves had to have their lore retconned. Night elves had to be neutered to be allowed into the Alliance. Void elves are viewed as a complete @sspull and disgrace to the lore. Nightborne viewed as traitors who would quickly on anyone who helped them as it doesn’t suit them.
Except one of those can make you money, while the other cannot.
You might be right, but it also means i’m passionate about this stuff.
This is new, since when? I thought you needed an active account to post here. Still your feedback is alwyas appreciated.
I am skeptical, but they claim they do. I don’t relaly write stuff for them, it’s more for fellow gamers, sharing my frustrtions and desires, it is in their best interest to see what their fans feel, but i have no illusions that what I type even makes it past the scans for obscenties or forum relevance before just being ignored.
hasn’t stopped me writing though.
And i hate that neutering of hte lore… so un-encessary to destory a good thing… what anonoys me is why i cares o much and it cuases me so much angst, it’s not natural… maybe it’s addiciton, or it’s love.
That’s so true. I really shoudl start my own channel and broadcast. Thanks for the clarity.