yeah lets nerf a not S tier class to be even worse so its not even A tier anymore, when will they learn that not everyone enjoys raiding and balance around mythic+ dungeons as well rather then just raiding.
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These class tuning are so bad. Literally nerfing b tier classes and not even touching obvious s++ overperformers for over a year. And the game has rating supposedly in sense of some “competition”. Yeah well how is it competition when there is 3-5x more powerful specs than others just let go unnerfed for over a year and then senseless tuning to nerf the worse specs like now locks. So ppl obviously just play some overtuned meta and justify it by saying that they have always fancied the class fantasy of it, nothing to do with the fact of course that it just also happens to be 3-5x stronger than anything else.
it isnt fun to play against it either
to make Bm or demo warlock meta/or good is the worst thing what they can currently do
i remind you of the demo wl abomination in dragonflight
make affli or destro the pvp spec to go but not demo wl how the whole spec designe currently is
locks have more specs than just one
they should buff affli wl
about destro idk im not a wl main dont know what to change there, in this case other classes are just too bloated to prevent you from casting
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19, new dungeon.
of course not. for his warrior, for example, he collected about bis stats.
well, and picking up a build, the PTR does not interfere in any way.
suddenly, yes. received less damage, therefore less HPS, and gave less damage, since I did not play in a DPS build, since I played with a randoms without voice communication.
and you are somehow trying to evaluate the level of my game by the DPS and HPS of the tank)
Opinion and what does it has to do anything with objective statistics based class tuning. Statistics are public data for ladders.
All of locks specs are dead and none are meta or have been for a year, and all lock counters have just been buffed
Warlock was dead if they didnt gain any buffs for this season and now they gained nerf making it twice as dead.
Atleast yours is still viable and even gained some buffs back. Warlock is now officially dead for season 3. There is no reason to play any spec of locks for pvp on the state what arcane and mm are right now 5x ahead of warlocks. And yet they nerfed warlock. How does this make any sense. It’s competition with rated, there should not be 5x stronger specs than others, yet retri and ww remain unnerfed and even gained buffs for season 3, but they are pre nerfing warlock which has not been in meta at any point of season nor would been for upcoming either without buffs.
whole community hates to play against demo warlock, it´s already terrifying that there is a class ingame what is even easier to play than bm when it is meta.
just buff affli/rework destro, keep Bm hunter and Demo dead.
u mean this? 
Shred damage increased by 5%.
they put already pvp mods on everything else xD
for example
Sabertooth causes Ferocious Bite to increase damage taken from your bleeds and other periodic effects by 6% per combo point (was 5%).
5x6 means 30% for pve good but before buffing it, they increased the pvp mod on it, to make it stay on the same value like it was before the buff 15%
so it did nothing to pvp.
Ferocious Bite and Ravage primary target damage increased by 6%.
this buff is litteraly a joke, and will do nothing
we lost our 4 set what makes our bites actually doing dmg the 4set was close to do the same dmg as the bite so yeah
close to a 70-90% dmg nerf on bite and to compensate we buff it by 6% flat yeah crazy buff
Feral
- All damage reduced by 8% in PvP combat.
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no flame, but i can understand why u defend demo warlock, its the dps class what u had the most success on
i dont wanna be the toxic guy but this shows me, that demo warlock is even easier than bm hunter and shouldnt be meta
give destro/affli some love tho
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blanket statement not really value to me
I dont see any buff for locks in over a year, I see plenty buffs on locks counters
Feral is still better than lock while lock now has no reason to even go season 3. Can go as arcane or mm like I said.
Could not be more wrong, not single spec of locks are easy or beginner friendly. Anyways this has absolute zero to do with class tuning.
I remind you retri and ww are unnerfed, this means that they will be 5x stronger than anything else and global people with nuclear dmg while being immune to cc.
I have zero interest on any spec hate opinions, this thread is about class tuning. And trust me I’m not going to play any spec of locks for next season with this horrendous balance. I will play arcane and mm which are 5x more powerful than any spec of warlock. So much for tuning.
So your saying that I should not be succesful with some classes other than something what you think is “easy” how is that not a flame. Could not be more false either as no spec of warlocks is “easy” or beginner friendly. Also its not the spec what I have had “most success on” I play 8 classes and 16 specs on mostly equal level 2.1-2.4 range.
As check pvp would show I have 9x 2.1-2.3 shuffles from different classes and their different specs and I had 2.6 blitz which means nothing. Why in earth would you try flame me with this “the only spec you had most success on” I dont know but I’m not interested to hear more.
still u talking about feral buffs, where you don’t even have a clue what they do/without knowing the pvp base value
(wish the include things like this in the blue post, and not just on wow head)
then go around and ask 100 People and come back then u have your Value/proof
and? what does it have anything to do with my class?
as Destro and Affli yes, demo? xD most of them teleport because it have short cd aswell and starting creating the whole army of pets behind a pillar, atleast these demos at 2.5 mmr did it.
i have even seen a demo wl at 2.560 in 2v2… so idk what to tell you
he just globalt my friend at 50% hp with the demon orb explosion or whatever it was
i dont care about your demo wl class bias either
you notice yourself right?
i can do as long as it isnt Affli/destro because demo wl is completely easy only difficult part is to set up all weak auras what yells shadow dance at me and i instantly Axe toss party 2 to destroy the go from the rogue completely. by just hearing to an weak aura.
but what is then?
i dont defend horrendous class tuning either, i just said that some specs shouldnt be viable in pvp because of multiple reasons and these specs are
- Bm Hunter
- demo warlock
- Aug evoker
- Fury warri
These specs are just unhealthy designed when it comes to PvP and nobody wants to play against when they are Meta. if u think this isnt true u can hover around and ask 100 People.
i mentioned already the problem about ret 5x times and there is a dev bias behind it and u will see in every 3s game and shuffle loby 1-2 Rets, thats more than obvious
thats hard to say, they lost their set bonus which make their burst sometimes extremly broken and unpredictable
but yeah this class is something else in shuffle high sustain dmg. what cant even be stoped while he is bursting (trash class designe aswell)
i dont think it will be 5x times, this would mean retro/dh calypse but we can expect some further nerfs coming especially for Ret/ww
i think u misunderstood my whole point
i said IT IS GOOD that Specs like Demo warlock are not Meta and getting nerfed BUT it isnt good THAT Affli/Destro didnt got a single buff
it would be obviously a better change when Demo got nerfed but Destro/Affli Buffed while WW/Ret nerfed
i thought it is obvious and that i dont have to mention it that it´s obvious that the current class change isnt good xD
The next Tuning should hopefully include
Slightly dh dmg nerf
ret NERF
mage slight nerf (?)
ww nerf
Elemental shaman Huge nerf aswell
Dk buff
affli buff
yeah u just hover to the next Broken spec what is easy to play and op anyway so why the spec defending then?
Demo is. affli and destro is not and hard to play.
you should do yes.
cuz u have no clue about feral Gameplay, if u dont clone or do cc setups u getting still outpaced and farmed at 2k mmr
was only the case in Dragonflight season 1
it´s a lie b ecause u saying that i only have played 1 spec which is not true, and everyone on check pvp can see it.
indeed i havent played much retail because of cata/mop classic
but i also have played Warri j4f for some days evoker for 3 or 4 day when it comes to ret i have played it only for 1 day at 2.3 mmr because it was so boring, it´s literaly watching someone is playing my class
I would just advise you to be careful with accusations that are mere speculation and have nothing to do with facts. especially when my data is Puplic and nothing is hidden on check pvp.
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No interest asking 100 people anything when all statistics are public data and what tuning should be based on and not anyones opinions or dislikes on specs.
You came replying and bothering me about your hate on demo in class tuning thread. No clue why but I am not interested of it.
But you started reply to me to derail the thread about class tuning to make blanket statements of saying bm or demo should not be played at all, which is personal opinion and I’m not interested of it nor is it relevant with class tuning.
Inflammatory and derailing.
More personal insults.
I would advice not making inflammatory comments towards others, I will put ignore now I’ve had enough of this and I am not interested.
I have 9x 2.1-2.3 shuffles currently on different classes and their specs I would debate I’m well aware of the current meta if would be measured with anyone for it.
and again learn how check pvp works.
no you dont which is obvious.
I even made comparisons what u ignored.
you didnt showed public data either, u cant disarm a so called “assumption” where is even community proof from the past where they dont like to play against bm/demo/fury meta when u didnt sended a single proof.
fun fact it´s easy to flame with "u have no proof evidence, but when u can get the proof evidence easily by yourself, “its too much of a work naaaa i dont gonna do that otherwise the chance is there, that im wrong”
u will reroll to hunter, what prints the shuffle rating for you, u even said it with your own words.
i didnt said they should get removed, they shouldnt be meta, and always the worst of all the 3 other specs when it comes to pvp.
false allegations u said i only have 1 spec shown while on check pvp everything is visable, so yes you lied.
good for you but it doesnt change the fact that u had the most success at demo warlock, when it comes to end rating when i compare it with your warri and hunter.
this is just a fact, not a insult, if u still think this isnt a fact, i dont know what to say at this point
Says the right guy what is saying that i only have played 1 spec and insults, without any proofs.
that is your subjective opinion
if you think that saying “u had the most success on demo warlock” is a personal attack, then i dont know
i mean in 2025 it feels like u can see everything as an personal attack
People got banned in solo shuffle because they said “why did you attack the warri and not the hunter?”
i mean i can take it as an personal attack as well when u said “that i have played only 1 spec” what isnt true
i tested multiple specs out, and got bored instantly i dont even have fun in dps evoker the first shuffle where fun, until i entered double caster mm hunter lobby at 2.340
sry that i dont have the joy to swap with every season my main
and stay most likely on my main class and play some alts sometimes just for fun like my warri.
i mean i played my warri to 2.2 something with a few games early into the season and then stopped playing, and played 2s instead or mop classic.
Editing post does not change it that coming say something like this to someone is personal insult and not related on the topic. I would suggest give it a rest at this point and continue on the topic of class tuning. The mods will do the rest if there is something to clean.
Ferals are… allowed to have fun? 
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Any, and all, BrM main rolled their eyes to the back of their heads watching Yoda stress test it. That guy is beyond clueless on it, and what makes it worse is his guide on playing it.
Watch Sha instead. At least that dude knows the ins and outs of the class and isn’t a metachaser. (Inb4: “Yoda is a God” even Gods can be slain. 
)
And his bear stress test was almost equally horrible. How could you, with a clean consciousness, mention him for those two classes? 
he had everything wrong, from stats to talents to advice.
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Who cares? The topic is not Brewmaster nor Yoda.
Sha is not playing anything outside of Brewmaster.
Not once did I mention him for Monk. What you smoking?
Guess my testing was wrong and every single high rated tank player is wrong too. Good that EU forums exist. The most competent players here will educate everyone.
I don’t understand how me choosing to not play at “full potential” diminishes my experience.
I am playing with BDK the same way I play with all the other tanks: Enjoying myself primarily, while challenging my limits.
I would like to establish that neither you or I have any authority on this matter. We both are talking about individual experiences and opinion.
Only facts and data have authority, something I yet to see here.
You don’t see how you keep dividing by zero here, it’s the second time now. Is this a low damage situation, which is inherently positive for the BDK, or a high damage one? You can’t just say “Well, when you take low damage, your self-healing is low, and you cannot heal enough with low healing when you take high damage.”
I am about 100% sure that you are trying to make an interesting and valid point here, only you are writing something else.
Due to modifiers, you only need to Death Strike every 5-7 seconds, in order to be always topped up. Without modifiers (CDs), BDK is admittedly a very bad tank. Pressing Dancing Rune Blade and Vampiric Blood when available is basically a must-to-do. And if you don’t have at pull, well, good luck.
That has never been my experience. It always takes me a minimum of 3 Word of Glory to heal up. Bear just presses one Frenzied Regen, Brew can press one Expel Harm, but Pally takes just so much GCD to heal up.
That shield never gets broken on BDK’s hp pool, and it is up far more often than pally’s immunities, which was my point.
you are personal insulting me by bringing up wrong facts by telling, that i have no clue about the current meta structure because i only play “1 spec”
everyone who can use check PvP properly knows, that i play more than 1 Spec.
you made this season the highest rating with your Demo Warlock, while you also Tried to Climb as an Warri and Bm hunter, which are also Top Solo shuffle Specs besides of MM hunter/ Ret
so my fact still stands, u had the most success on it i dont know wheres the class bias came from
why do i even replying to you, u even said with your own words that you will reroll to Arcane mage now, so u reroll to the most broken things anyway 
Fury/Bm/Demo wls are anyway considered as the “easy” Pve Specs and close to be impossible to Balance in pvp because of how they work in General, everyone what plays the game more than 2 Hours a Week knows that.
yeah i would suggest it to you too, i wasnt the guy what felt instantly attacked because someone said to play against my main class isnt fun for the community and maybe thats the reason why they nerfed it in both PvP/PvE
dont get Gaslighted by Sabertooth like Snupy did, they changed the base PvP Value so its always 15% Dmg while in PvP and 30% in PvE so the 2 Buffs to Sabertooth havent buffed feral once in PvP, just saying dont know if u know that.
but if u planed to play pve, feral in m+ is really good right now.
your tests were wrong, yes.
and who do you mean from other testers with high ratings?
I watched stress tests of the bear from Yoda, from Kira, if we talk about popular streamers. both tested the bear just terribly, I already wrote to you about it.
bad builds, bad stats, and that’s a fact.
especially, Yoda.
Ye, if you say so, you must be right. Your performance seems very good on Druid lmao…
I literally named them… scroll up.
Highly doubt you watched every run of them. What you watched is what they upload for content.
I think you should rather learn your rotation properly, before you call out several high rated players.
I didn’t say this just like that, but based on your conclusions.
but you can tell how you tested the bear.
show builds, stats, for example.
I already wrote about Kira and Yoda from this list.
Awoo plays a bear at about the same level as me, and he also used a bad build for DotC, and bad stats.
I don’t know the others from the list, but I can look for them.
the speech was specifically about their video called tank stress tests. I watched these videos and commented.
Kira’s last video with the bear was very recently, and I already talked about it. The build there is significantly better, but the stats are still bad. And the result is very good even in such conditions.