Class Tuning Incoming – 9 August

[Aresanob-thunderhorn]

We had clear metas past seasons too. Like shadowlands s3 with bdk + holy priest + SV + Destro + WW/Rogue. People always complain day in, day out if their favorite spec is not brought to keys or if its not the godtier spec and blizzard nerfs specs.
Difference is that warlock nerf postponed for season 4 start. They also wanted to nerf the spec midseason.

[Нубасенька-gordunni]

shadowlands any season without boomkin? Did you play keys?

[Aresanob-thunderhorn]

@Нубасенька-gordunni

shadowlands any season without boomkin? Did you play keys?

season 3 boomkin?

Mythic+ Rankings (SL Season 3)

[Kaivax]

I’ve updated the OP to correct a typo.

• Paladin
  • Holy
    • Blessing of Summer now causes attacks to deal 20% 25% additional damage as Holy (was 30%).

[Katushka-aegwynn]

@Siene-arathor

Well I was enjoying hpal.

Not sure how much impact a 5% nerf to healing will have. I remember on some affix weeks in SL, playing an hpal was almost trolling and some dungeons were really tough (Sanguine Depths).

It’s a shame cause it’s one of the only healers I really like.

And why is frost mage considered op?

thats much more then 5%.
and they dont stop until you dont see holy paladins in the top list.
so they will ruin this spec 200% for sure. like they did with prot and ret with their braindead and absurd changes.

[Katushka-aegwynn]

@Ellipsìs-tarren-mill

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

Because they affected everyone? I told you why?

But any 3 dps + heal + tank can already time 20s, all tuning would do is make it easier which is somehow a bad thing?

of course they can. and i have seen almost all classes in much higher keys.
but will they be invited? because certain dds are looking for a group for hours…

[Katushka-aegwynn]

@Greppable-draenor

The problem ain’t nerfs. The problem is blizzard gutting a comp that will still remain meta during mid season instead of buffing other specs. Basically, all that’s going to happen is the key levels that people have pushed will now get lower, which is bad because it’s essentially impossible to compete from this point. These nerfs would actually be fine if blizzard nerfed dungeons along with them. Fact is that without massive buffs, other specs can’t compete and won’t push the keys levels abused by god comp.

Myhic+ is competetive and nerfs like this without any other real balance is destroying that competition for those playing who chase things like the title. Basically, blizzard messed up big time with scuffed ‘untested’ reworks the introduction of augmentation evokers. So, if you missed the hype train, it’s far harder to push for higher ranks.

If all you care about is you’re weekly +20 keys, then none of this matters. You can bring almost anything to a 20 key and time it without any issues. Sure, it’s harder to get invited because you’re not playing a meta spec, but you will get invited in the end.

Aug is the problem at the moment. because certain classes just don’t scale. or would you take ret instead of mage in such a comp?

[Valos-ravencrest]

@Nemmar-eonar

I don’t disagree. I don’t think this was an ideal solution, but it is better than nothing. It’s better than sitting back and telling players they can’t run higher keys unless they play these specific 5 specs. So, i find some positivity in that.

but it is doing nothing.

reversing a situation doesnt give everyone “Equal Opportunity to join groups”. it just changes the Speccs which are and arent accepted, until the correct changes are made u cant balance a situation with this many factors.

[Carnifex-azjolnerub]

@Valos-ravencrest

but it is doing nothing.

reversing a situation doesnt give everyone “Equal Opportunity to join groups”. it just changes the Speccs which are and arent accepted, until the correct changes are made u cant balance a situation with this many factors.

It literally does just that.

The only one’s getting “really punished” for this is the 0,1% because now, apparently, keys won’t reach as high this season.
People see what the meta currently is and then in lower keys, they want that too. Now when they’re nerfed, majority of the playerbase will be able to get invited, like normal, before the nerfs. Its not the first season in m+s history this has happened and then it has gone “back to normal”.

[Valos-ravencrest]

@Carnifex-azjolnerub

majority of the playerbase will be able to get invited, like normal

We already know the new meta.

Guard druid / disc priest / enhance shaman / ret paladin / boomy if anything its less classes because druid x2 what do u mean most?

Heres a hint, its always every season 3 classes get immediate invites while the other 10 have to have a inflated rio / make their own groups.

The reason the “god comp” is so swayed out is because it boosted RIO with how easy it made completing m+, so more then usual instsntly rerolled.

Yes the god comp was worse then usual because of this, espically because of utility. But this doesnt fix a problem. Before or after, the likelyhood is im still going to have to make my own group to get into keys.

And no more theb the 0.1%, to beleive this didnt boost average m+ players upwards would be denial. This comp made +20s feel like +16s hence why alot of people are saying KSH this season is a joke.

This will effect everyone, who depended on this comp to break the difficulty of the game mode.

Whatever u made it to, if u used this comp to get there, the likelyhood is u wont be able to push any further. This goes deeper.

Just becsuse someone decided to take on wanting to complete +25s across the board and isnt a leaderboard run, doesnt change that at their skill level this will make it unlikely for em

[Jervaise-kazzak]

I don’t think you understand - the top 0.1% isn’t complaining, the players aiming for top 0.1% are complaining.

Bliz effectively ended the season for any competent & competetitive player that didn’t or couldn’t abuse the augment release. Not everyone can do 24 hours of gaming. Surprise: casual play doesn’t mean bad players.

Most of the current top 0.1% got there abusing the overpowered classes early and often, and the players that don’t have the same amount of time as them no longer have any chance.

[Marla-ravencrest]

any ww monk changes? maybe normal scaling? blizz?

[Chaochuo-kazzak]

@Valos-ravencrest

Guard druid / disc priest / enhance shaman / ret paladin / boomy if anything its less classes because druid x2 what do u mean most?

Ret paladin?
And not augmentation evoker?

Augs don’t lose that much and if prescience multistrike is bad they can opt into Cooldown Reduction for their party members quite easily while also helping everyone live.

[Greppable-draenor]

Augmentation is a big issue for sure, but I think there are other classes that scale well with aug. Boomy is probably the second best option to mage or maybe shaman, but I don’t think the meta will really change without blizzard addressing other specs and dungeons in general.

[Valos-ravencrest]

@Chaochuo-kazzak

Ret paladin?
And not augmentation evoker?

Augs don’t lose that much and if prescience multistrike is bad they can opt into Cooldown Reduction for their party members quite easily while also helping everyone live

No, but the classes that mesh with aug are falling. Aug isnt good with every combo

[Akademos-kazzak]

And Arms Warrior…?

[Docderlock-thrall]

Y good point aug distributes his own mainstat to others means only the int buff alone is a double dip , the externals +md and mindsooth and mark of the wild extra and bear is currently the tankiest on high target numbers

The synergy +priest utilities of that comb (mostly because u can mindsooth mops with truesight)

Aug evoker makes also heal and tank insanely strong , in the future we will need more support roles and a 6 man grp to balance this out

[Aresanob-thunderhorn]

@Marla-ravencrest

any ww monk changes? maybe normal scaling? blizz?

No, thats why we play shadow alts for m+ to enjoy the game at least
Maybe once they find out what they want to do with WWs lol.

[Polomints-aerie-peak (Polomints)]

@Kaivax

As we continue to monitor gameplay data and player feedback, we will soon make several tuning adjustments to classes that are over- and under-performing in group content. The following are changes that we intend to make with scheduled weekly maintenance (August 9 in this region).

Classes

• Except where noted, all changes will be offest so that they do not apply to PvP.

• Mage

  • Fire
    • Flamestrike damage decreased by 10%.
    • Flame Patch damage decreased by 10%.
    • Conflagration damage decreased by 10%.
    • Meteor damage decreased by 10%.
    • Phoenix Flames damage decreased by 10%.
    • Living Bomb damage decreased by 10%.

I note there have been at least seven class tuning changes since Jan 2023, where the same Fire Mage abilities have been significantly changed, i.e. increased or decreased, multiple times.

That’s literally some random change every month, hardly inspires confidence.

[Annesathiel-doomhammer]

Seems strange that there are no hunter and WW monk nerf for pvp but ohh well.