You call this class diversity? You prefer THAT?
I am a healer. The different way i heal on the different specs is class diversity.
Somehow i got the idea you are a dps that on the side tries to keep the group alive.
I am a healer trying to keep my group alive. Damage is whatever.
Damage is “whatever” except when its not. 300k is whatever. 1.2M is not “whatever”.
And the fact that MW can pull that off with stomp, and 1 HEALING CD, while I have to risk the lives of my party members to do it…
Is NOT ok.
And I am sick of seeing this every season with DPriest and MW monks. Its a yoyo dance of back and fourth buff/nerf that never ends.
The cause is the impossibility of balancing out specs with mechanics like that.
And I am seldom wrong about this.
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Just have primal strike heal ppl with riptide on them as long as you are in your healing rain + do damage, problem solved.
might want to fix this instead of nerfing shadow.
Mistweavers are not running 1.2M dps with stomp and 1 healing CD.
There’s a lot more needed to do those amounts of damage. They even take talents just for damage, sacrificing healing for it. Megasett has just uploaded a video about Workshop 15 where she is even running the Priory DPS trinket.
You are more than wrong on this.
I am afraid you lost a little bit of reality on this.
I cannot stop repeating that to pull off those numbers (or anywhere near those numbers) I have to heal 0 HPS. Literally ZERO. And last time I watched the video of Megasett with full DD talents and DD trinkt he has a number next to HPS.
I have yet to see any other class do that. Only DPriest can pull it off.
And we are not even counting the DPS PI generates when casted on FMage and DuDu. Its the “aug” situation all over again.
About the impossibility of balancing out healer DPS ? I am.
System analysis is my job, and concptually it can never converge. It will always diverge because there is a built in feedback loop.
I was right about Aug. I continue to be right about PI. And I am still right about raid buffs and dispells.
This is just one more thing in the list.
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Yeah if you want perfect balance then we end up on 1 class per role.
You got what you want. Mistweaver just got a 25% nerf. And i am sure some nerfs will happen again.
But for the record; not everyone is sacrificing their healing for more dps. The mortal mistweavers are also just running 400k. Not 1.2M.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HcwRT7dQDCv1PAfg?fight=2&type=summary
Look. We are SO overpowered that we run 316k dps. And this got hitted with 25%.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kTvywrbVacPdQj2F?fight=3&type=damage-done
382k! Needs nerf! (touch of death abuse on the affix emmisary)
We dont need perfect balance. And you keep going to an extreme. Its as if you are not reading me at all.
I gave you many examples already of mechanics that are of critical importance that every class has, but that are different and GIVE class diversity:
- Raid buffs.
- Combat mana regen
- ST heals
- AoE heals
- DR in tanking.
- Migiation and threat generation in tanking.
- AoE DPS (capped/uncapped)
- ST DPS
- DPS rotations (build-dump, CD based, ect…)
- performance CDs (tanks, healers and DDs)…
List goes on of things that acheive the same thing (more DD, HPS, reaction to situations, DR tankbusters, mana regen… ECT…) but with different, UNIQUE ways that CONVERGE!.
This is just one more on that list.
I did not get what I want. Read what I said.
Fair.
Mortal RShamans are running 100k instead of 400k. The scale goes down as well for “mortals”.
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Yeah i havent hitted 400k either. It is more like 325. So -25% = 250k.
It really isn’t what you seem to claim here.
At the top other things happen. But we are just full time healing, juggling healthbars up. No time to actually do dps and sacrificing healing buttons.
You said we just RSK. You can see in those logs an RSK is doing 540k damage. The modifier to healing was 30% (ancient teachings) multiplied by 260% by stomp buff. So that is 180 = 468k heal.
With our current healthpools we are not keeping people alive with heals like that. With a button that also even has a cooldown.
1 GCD 500k damage + 500k heal. To do that, I need 1 Healing Surge (1 GCD) + 1 Ligtning bolt (2 GCD).
We can keep going. But every example you put, will be the same. Because its a factual truth.
And next time you mention Acid Rain see how much that heals and if it really counts.
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Yes, And your healing surge is doing 3 million heal. In comparison to my ~500k heal.
(ok ok, maybe a little less. My shaman on 638 ilvl averages on 1.89M heal. But Max hit is 4.6M).
It is indeed quite unfair you press 1 button and heal for at least 3 healing buttons what i do.
Then cast a Vivify then. That does an average of 2M according to your own logs.
But you fail to have read me. In periods of high damage, you use high output healer spells. Like Vivify, like Sheilun’s Gift, ect…
You use HS when the target just got hit by something and is at 20% HP and you need to top him up. Same as MW.
I have been saying all this time that my beef with DPS is not when people are about to die and need a 3M heal. Its when they are at 70% and are not about to die. But could at the next mechanic.
You dont need a 3M healing surge for that. And I have tools to deal with that situation and heal 500k as well. But NONE do damage.
So I have to make a choice: Heal or DD. You dont. And that is the thing that can never be balanced.
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Stop talking crap. You’ve been bleating on for 36 posts in this thread and just speaking rubbish.
I did a 10 ToP on my shaman. 46% of its damage came from acid rain (last I checked it heals). I also cast 112 lava bursts and 238 flame shocks. Those 350 casts did two thirds of the damage that acid rain did.
All your dithering comes down to “mad mw did decent damage” (tho they had to be doing damage full time to achieve it). Weirdly not mad that rsham does so much damage passively.
I did 325k in the dungeon I mentioned, I’m the definition of “mortal” plus I was healing a 643 tank that required some babysitting.
150m in same dungeon so 10.1%, my top source of healing was healing stream totem at 12.1% so it is not insignificant (and we had 2 melee and 3 ranged so it wasn’t like I had 5 people hugging it)
I hope you’re not as fast and loose with actual facts in your job.
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EXACTLY!
And vivify is doing no damage.
We are there. You understand we are not just pressing dps buttons to heal. Mortals just press a lot of healing buttons to heal.
We are getting more into the reality now.
I dont like Acid Rain. Its lame. And I said it before.
And you fail to see my point, just like Tsojh: All those lava burst casts you mention are because you took a risk. And it went well. It can also go wrong.
It is something MW dont need to do.
Then with the same effort you pull of double or more with a MW monk. And with the same degree of “babysitting”.
And the followup to that is:
That is a reality as well.
And dont be such a disrecpectfull jerk. I dont do this to you.
Even on things that I beleive are absolute BS as well, like your dumb whiner post about swirlies in dungeons.
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It can never be balanced. You never get to 100% balance. On no specs or roles. But we can hardly have a problem with mistweavers doing 250k dps and resto shamans too.
All your buttons, GCD’'s you call them, do more than the mistweavers. Somewhere you get the moment for using that lava burst proc. I am sure. Without risk actually. I need to use a ton of ‘setup’ or ‘upkeep’ GCD’s that basically do nothing too. And somehow that is possible too.
Ahh, yes. Exclude a core class tool from the analysis because “you don’t like it”. 
I think we’re done here.
I don’t spend 36 posts in a thread repeating myself and talking easily disprovable crap. When I do feel free to say the same back to me.
Still. I defend you when others talk crap about you because I still respect you.
Therefore I dont deserve this treatment from you, even if I repeat myself 36 times. Who cares. It is something I am passionate about. Deal with it.
So talk like an animal to Slapface if you want. Not to me. Or dont talk at all.
I am not excluding anything. I use Acid Rain like everyone else. Does it give depth to RShaman? NOPE. Its still a lame way to do DD as a healer.
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Can you even remember what you said?
Healing rain is a shamans biggest damage source. It’s also a great source of healing. What you’re saying is blatantly untrue. Can you not even see this?