I think Classic vanilla/era would work.
An alternative path for wow, keeping the classic spirit. (as opposed to the nerf, blingbling path of retail)
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In #2 you described TBC…
This is the problem with Classic+ andy’s. You won’t touch the vanilla+ projects that already exist to get your 1 month fix and realize the grass just seemed greener. You think that all the backhanded ideas that gets thrown around on forums will transcend the final product to your personal liking. Grand delusions.
Eh this may work for Cata but not really for MoP-Legion.
With MoP they startet doing time limited content again so in Classic equivalent that would be like you have to skip BWL and its unlock quest and in Naxx their will be no Atiesh or Corrupted Ashbringer. Legion is missing the core feature with its deactived Artifact weapon. Saying you can still Legion so you do not need Legion Classic is like saying, you do not need WotLK Classic you can still play this on Retail
You can say the same for TBC and WotLK; the quest, dungeons and raids are still there (probably nerfed heavily though, but that goes for the other expansions as well).
WotLK is a special case. Not all the quests in the old zones where available by the time Classic ended so many areas got completed with TBC. Meanwhile in WotLK we got two important story quest events that after that are not playable anymore because nobody knows.
I wish man…
Classic Wow+ is definetly the way to go BUT … that requires work.
That requires resources to be assigned to making a brand new wow.
I will stand corrected if they do but right now I think they see this a cash-grab.
Classic + with new instances / new raids / maybe new textures… etc… heroic+ instances and you name it…
Blizzard prove me wrong please.
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Highly against Cataclysm Classic here.
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Food for thought. Cataclysm is the second most popular WoW era of all time, second behind Wrath and well ahead of vanilla, TBC and MoP
will be retail number 2 then, so no thank you.
Id rather start Classic era again if they open fresh servers with no boost and does not rush it (should last for at least two years before TBC).
TBC was the best though. Back in 2008 I did not like the direction of WOTLK and I don’t like it now either.
And the player mentality nowdays are crap. Fastest way to 80 and then ask for T6 gear in starting dungeons.
The retail crowd is playing Classic now… with a retail mindset. And the devs have a retail mindset too.
Sad… miss the old days
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Why is that? Because Wrath is the most popular expansion and increased the player base and then it gradually decreased during Cataclysm. So Cataclysm being the second most popular expansion is all thanx to Wrath.
TBC and WOTLK are still there but Cataclysm removes a lot of vanilla content. Let’s say you want to finish some quest from vanilla, you can do that in WOTLK Classic but you can’t in Cataclysm and all subsequent expansions.
What are they?
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The Battle of Undercity which is the follow up on the wrathgate incident and the quests arround the meeting between the Shen’dralar and the Priesthood of Elune.
Its simpe give 10 man mode of all 5 man dungeons. Give ppl dungeon 3 questline to have something to be engaged ingame, perhaps add a new faction for ppl to grind rep. Change honnor system by simply removing honor decay, perhaps make raids have 24h reset, and let ppl in pve/rp realms group up 2gether for pve content regadless of faction. Leave all the rest untouched. keep in mind we dont need changes we need additions to the game that wont alter the gaming experience and smooth the ugly curves like the honor system no paladin/shaman in pve and slow raid resets.
Classic fight mechanics are too narrow for that many raids. If raid is what you want go retail or FFXIV, classic is for the journey/RP/open world & sandbox-style gameplay.
I agree that Cata seemed to be a cut-over point where the game fundamentally changed direction toward its modern retail state, but it also marked a point where Blizzard sort of lost control and introduced game systems that were wide open to abuse and generated a lot of controversy, toxicity, and trolling.
In my opinion, if Blizzard are considering revisiting Cata/MoP under a ‘Classic’ label, they’d need to take into account the way that some of its design caused people to behave like jerks. Also even without the abuse/toxicity, a large cohort of Classic players aren’t playing Classic just for nostalgia, but genuinely prefer the ‘Classic’ gameplay paradigm compared with the direction that retail has taken.
Obviously retail also moved on significantly in the 10 years since Cata ended, but many of the design decisions in retail can be traced back to lessons learned from Cata/MoP, about the way players reacted/behaved, the feedback they received, etc.
One of my biggest worries is that Cata triggered an enormous amount of tension for players interacting in-game, leading to whole new levels of trolling and toxicity – Guild perks led to a lot of negative consequences. A lot of people loved the overtuned pre-nerf dungeons with friends, but they were unbearable in cross-realm random matchmaking groups.
My other concern is that a ‘faithful’ Cata/MoP might just feel like an unrefined version of retail, still carrying a lot of the mistakes which spurred Blizzard to start ripping out older game systems and experimenting on all sorts of quirky new systems as they struggled to evolve the game after it had already lost/alienated a large chunk of its playerbase.
So I see the challenge for Blizzard is to decide who they wish Cata to appeal to; I don’t believe that a faithful replica of Cata would make very many people happy; quoting Murazond - “To repeat the same action and expect different results is madness.”
With some work I think a re-designed Cata could potentially ‘fit’ the Classic model by backtracking on a lot of the designs that generated controversy - e.g. either don’t nerf the heroics or bring Mythic dungeons along. Avoid the toxic trollfest we experienced in Cata with cross-realm gameplay and random matchmaking. Avoid the abuse of Guild perks, Maybe even do something more creative with the modern phasing or layering technology to keep the 1-60 pre-cata levelling experience intact, etc.
Just my 2p 
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No, I did not know. You just said:
How should I know who is Scottyjay, when you do not say so? I don’t follow neither streamers’ channels nor those belonging to anybody else. I play, and go here when working and waiting.
But I’m sorry that I did not start by finding out who he was and why he should be relevant to me 
To answer your question:
But really all we need are Era servers for all three Classics: Vanilla, TBCC and Wrath Classic - and we need them as they were when they were current content, with nothing added or subtracted. This is an new, revolutionary idea, I know. But why not try?
Cata is no-no for me for so many reasons.
- the world was destroyed
- spec-bound talents were added - old talent trees removed.
- all flavour things as feed pet, ammo etc was removed.
In short most of the fun - your decide, you play - was taken out of the game.
I am not going to play if we’re forced into a Cata containing any of these elements.
And a total re-make … I disbelieve
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Classic plus done right is all about a Turtle in Wow
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the cata/mop/wod game has nothing to do with legion/bfa/retail, whether it’s gameplay/farm etc.
I would really like to have cataclysm classic like wod (and yes) BUT I want it to change the end of the patches which are sloppy
cata and wod are for me the best extension just they were messed up and messed up, especially on their end
I would really like WOTLK + Since the classes feels so good in wotlk and all. I would really enjoy new raids in the wotlk xpack
For me Classic+ should be based on vanilla. TBC and Wrath are much closer to retail whereas vanilla feels like something different entirely. Not sure I trust Blizzard with that though, I’ve seen the concept almost perfected elsewhere.
As for Classic itself I’m personally wanting to see Cataclysm and MoP again. Quite dearly so. Hopefully with minimal changes bar bringing transmog forward to the start of Cata.
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skip cata and just give us mop classic KEKW