Lol. Youre like a guy in a nightclub that thinks “dancing” will get you some bouncing in 2022.
I’m also curious about this statement. I’ve never felt this to be true at all.
On the contrary, if I have multiple friends who may only be able to play at certain times a day, the RDF allows me to play with all of them (let’s say 2 friends in the morning and 2 friend in the afternoon) as 2 groups of 3, and I won’t be locked out of the random dungeon; I just won’t get any additional emblems as I’ve already completed it that day.
No personal benefit in terms of loot, but I still got to play with all of my friends.
I can’t do this with LFG unless I have an alt or two ready to play. I don’t have any high level alts, not now at least. Maybe after a boost, but even then I don’t know if I have time to commit to both of them in terms of professions and dailies etc.
But then, according to a lot of people in various threads, it’s my fault for no longer having the time to play a game I’ve enjoyed since 2005 
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You can. Just not with every player. But if the alternative is, that some people can’t run dungeons at all, this is a good compromise.
It’s a miss conception, that you imply, it will somehow decrease your chances for a group if you misbehave in a group without RDF. There is no backlash for misbehaviour and even if all 4 people in the group will put you in ignite, it won’t really have an impact on how easy or hard it is to find a group.
Either you play on a server with a lot of people to group up and a few people, that ignore you won’t matter, because there are plenty more to pick from. Or you play on a small server, where it’s already hard to build groups, and on those servers you won’t really care if a player is toxic, you will just want to get into the dungeon already.
No people either run dungeons to socialise or they run dungeons to get loot or emblems. Just because a player spent more time building the group he won’t be more likely to communicate. Actually I would even think it’s the opposite. A player that has spent hours spamming the LFG chat to get into the dungeon will be most likely annoyed already and probably won’t be in the mood to have a happy chat.
Are you talking about the 15% buffs? They are hardly needed for WotLK dungeons and could just be removed completely and nobody would notice. The other benefits of the RDF can be also received if you run RDF with a premade group.
No we are the people in the almost empty nightclub, that would like to be able to go to the nightclub next door too. To meet new people and have a larger pool of people, that actually would like to dance.
No matter how you put it, the RDF is more social, than what we have now or will have with the new LFG-Tool.
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Make your own groups and dont HR anything? Thats what i do. I never join groups that has stuff HR.
If it was about “Luck of the draw” buff, then it was a 5% non stackable buff to dmg, healing and base hp. Hardly worth putting Your friends aside for a random person.
It was changed in Cataclysm to stack up to 3 times (for a total 15%), for each pugged player.
And even then, the developers acknowledged that pugs still have lower chance of completing a dungeon than premade group:
“We also think the bonus is modest enough that it won’t encourage organized groups to split up and just PUG instead - the success rate for PUGs relative to organized groups is just that far behind. We still think you’ll have more fun and a greater chance of success running dungeons with friends”
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/news/10005219/luck-of-the-draw-buff
Yes but not 100% true.
If today people don’t want to put effort in socializing it’s because :
- There are now used to meet other people in internet, 15 years before it was, rather exceptional and uncommon, even more if you came from console Playstation etc.
- The is well known, everybody know everythings, there is no question to ask and asking to discover something etc. I know the game what do you want i say to them ? I’m in dg i just have nothing to say.
And also, we can disabled cross-faction with RDF.
Eh, what? Maybe in Zanzibar.
WOTLK came 2008, not 1998. Online games (and meeting people online) had even been a thing then even on consoles thanks to Xbox 360 and PS3.
Not to mention PC that had CS, Quake etc for almost 10 years.
Even Facebook had started to be standard at that time. MSN, ICQ and all of that had been out for 12 years and more…
Meeting people online was not exclusively something in WoW, yet people were social.
What so you think people playing WOTLK had to ask so many times in a end game dungeon that made it more social then than now? Seriously? Because if exploring the unknown/helpdesk is the only thing that is social to you, why even play with a in-game chat?
One thing I feel becomes clear.
People that dont see/value the social sides of a MMO and that cant see the harm of a LFD in those aspects, might not be as social as they think in-game.
Why not just give it to Blizzard straight instead of downplaying how social a MMO can be: We dont want to be social, we want to be efficient (but then again we know what that mindset gave us).
Yes and for me i get my PS3 in 2009 which it was the first time i was connected in game to other players.
The only social i had in my computer was MSN in 2008 like.
BUT , between 2 years of casual social on Internet and NOW with 15 years of this experience there is a HUGE diference.
Again, NOT EVERYONE before 2010-2012 had a very strong commonly days of social on internet in a game. MSN was nothing compared of this wave which is Facebook.
Again, for many people playing with other people across internet was a new thing, and EVEN if in the case of someone had a bit experience, you were a kid, and it still new and very uncommon compared to now.
I like the social aspect than can provide this game and that’s why i played this game over many years and that’s why it’s hard for me to end a solo game, even a good game like Uncharted.
But the more we know about the game, the less with have reason to talk with each other.
I don’t know man i have nothing to say in the game, i don’t say i never talk because i like troll and joke with my friends, but bro… Wotlk…
In dungeon, since the period that i understand well the game me and other players, i only to have real interaction in DG 2 times in Wotlk in 8 years bro !
And both was because dg was buffed and hard !
And if i compare with other game, i understood that every new games “we” are chill, if the game is very good we are very happy and because of that naturaly we talk with each other. Even more because the game is unknown.
But from the moment when you cleaned the game and you want to restart, every restart will make you less happy, less surprised, less “wahou”
I don’t know if you already tested Virtual Reality, this is so “wahou” during 1 month, 2 month every time you put your headset, but after that, yeah it’s cool alright go play the game.
As i said, for me discover + dificulty + the feeling that you’re lost in the game make people interact with each other.
What do you want i say in the Nexus more than “Hi” “Buff please” and “Thanks all” ??? I don’t feel the need to say nothing more.
And that’s not because i’m a anti-social, god fkin not and every players who know me can approve that. Dg for me is not where i’ll talk (now), but if i could talk in the /world yes, the /world is perfect to me and i’d love to get a real /world without spammed LF LF LF.
Put RDF, clean the canal.
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Yes, people are desperate enough for a tank that they might pay you or you can hr unwanted greens for your tanking services
very social and something to be nurtured
Yea, thats not what i meant. As a tank you know what is going on. As a DPS you just ZugZug and dont see what is happening. If you screw up it is the healer or tanks fault anyway. etc etc. Even most healers dont know what is happening they just frolic along.
But focus on something that has nothing to do with the actual run if you want, not that it helps your argument but whatever.
Dont want it. I hate dungeon finder in retail. Almost every expansion has gotten worse because of cross realms and dungeon finder. Neither of those things should be in the game.
literally what are you talking about even, my argument was about the social aspects of the tool not the gameplay.
Blizzard very clearly only cares about the social aspect of it which doesn’t matter anyway because people do not talk at all in runs if not for snarky remarks or passive aggressive behaviour.
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For me personally, RDF is the only way to experience dungeons with other people. You know, I have a kind of social anxiety, I’m generally scared of people and actually going and writing to others where everyone can see it, no…, even writing to others with whispers, is really hard for me, maybe almost impossible. Even writing this is taking a lot from me. So, when I could join other people in dungeons, through the RDF, it was a true blessing for me. I admit that at first, I was unable to even push the button for joining the RDF, I was so scared, but after some time I was able to join others through it. I had a lot of fun, when interacting with others that way, as outside of RDF I was basically playing solo, with almost no interaction with other people. Of course there were some negative aspect, like people leaving or some ther things, but even that gave me some experience with others. I met a lot of people that were actually kind and helping, I remember a time when that one tank I met in RDF, was encouraging us, telling us how well we did this or that, or what should we do when something went wrong. It was the first time I felt something like that, I felt really good that time, I was glad that I was always mustering my courage to push that button for joining RDF.
It might all sound weird to all of you, but thanks to RDF I had really good time with WOW.
Well, I admit that there are actually reasons I’m the way I am. When I was a kid, I was uhm… if someone is uncomfortable with this I’m rally sorry…, When I was a kid, I was sexually abused a lot, by other people, I… I have a huge trauma, and interacting with others is really hard for me, whether it’s a game or real life. And please don’t misunderstand me, I know a game is a game and it will certainly not replace real life interactions. I mean, all the interactions with people I had through RDF, were just different kind of interactions. So I really remember them well.
I’m sorry if I’m babbling or make no sense. Writing all this was actually quite hard for me. And I’m not even sure I… uhm… explained myself properly.
Anyway, I think, there are actually a lot more people like me, that would prefer RDF to be present in the game. They are just too scared to actually write. For all of you, please don’t be discouraged.
Thank you, for reading all this.
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Why is the finder so bad in tbc? Just because you can only list yourself for 3 activities and you can’t select your role?
Sure, people aren’t using it, but that’s not the tools fault.
It’s very close to the retail system and atleast the tbc one isn’t filled with boost spam.
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