Like I said
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I see, incapable of even talking about it are we ?
Obviously whatever the argument is isnāt one you can defend so you resort to vague comments. Why even bother ?
The people that are defending the social aspects of having to manually create your own groupā¦ what social aspects guys?
no one says anything if not for the occasional passive aggressive comment on the tanking/healing or ā¦ after wiping
I just dont understand what they are trying to preserve here
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The people that are defending the social aspects of having to manually create your own groupā¦ what social aspects guys?
The way I see it, these people are the ones that are mostly running with friends or guildies, which is an excellent use of the existing LFG tool to pick up a missing member.
Same is the case for when I chat it up with my guildies and do content with them dungeons or otherwise.
But when I play with randoms, whether it be through RDF or manually creating the group, this is no longer the case. As others state, beyond the initial āLFMā ā āinviteā interation, the only thing that might occur is talking about CC or how to deal with a particular hard boss if, for example, the tank is a bit lower on gear.
ā¦But this would also occur in RDF. Either we talk about how to solve a problem, or someone gets upset and leave prematurely, the latter of which is, in my opinion, way more harmful to the experience when NOT using RDF.
RDF can quickly find you a new player so you can complete the dungeon you started and if thatās not good enough, you can also, yourself, spam the LFG channel to find someone that way. Both options are, and should be, available to players.
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Exactly the point Iām trying to make. People donāt want to put effort in socializing in RDF, because they never meet these people again. As I stated RDF is NOT social.
Hey I am rogue can you tank a dungeon as you a feral tank? I guess now so better look for a tank that I wonāt need on the things that also he wants. Ow there is rdf get 187 ilvl click button you donāt need to beg people with tiny ego to tank dungeon or pay them for it. Well rdf really sounds nice.
So you are okay with adding when ICC comes but not before that cause why?
He did say āeven without RDFāā¦
And I agree. Manually constructing the group isnāt going to make me talk to people any more than what goes on in an RDF-constructed group.
While in the dungeon itself, generally no āsocializingā happens at all, unless you are already running with friends or guildies. The only talk going on is often short phrases to deal with an annoying pack, a difficult boss, or perhaps the occasional ācan I need?ā but this all occurs in RDF as well.
Iām fairly new to these discussions overall (as you can see by my post count) but not a single thread Iāve read has managed to make me understand what you mean by RDF ruining the social experience of the game.
Some people have tries arguing that itās more āsocialā to reach out to people in order to invite/get invited to the groups, and while this is something I typically agree with, itās shallow communication at best and in my experience it doesnāt really go beyond that.
Others have talked about the toxicity that brew from being able to RDF with players on other servers. This definitely can happen, but I rarely ever saw this. Not back in the ICC dungeons and not today on Retail either. Most of this toxicity stems from LFR where players get angry that their 25+ random teammates donāt know the tactics to a boss, and thus, will cause a wipe. But you can always be the better man and try to help these players instead of getting angry; Itās a player issue, not an issue with the tool. That said, LFR is outside the scope of this topic.
The last thing I can remember are those arguing for the experience of traveling to/from the dungeons. Considering that for Northrend (and Outland in TBC) we are all sitting on one, single, continent, I donāt mind this too much. Itās forming the group thatās causing most of the headaches for most people, including myself (and Iām a tank, btw). I donāt mean I have trouble finding/forming groups, but sometimes I just donāt have the time. Or even as DPS, would rather have a queue I can sit in with the speakers on (to listen for dungeon pop) while I can take care of other things in my apartment.
RDF is a tool of convenience, and I doubt anything said can change my mind on that.
EDIT: And I believe Wrath is where BGs gets to join from anywhere in the world, right? Seems hardly fair if I canāt do that for PvE content (which I prefer)
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How will you get away from not having ppl take your stuff in rdf?
Play a Tank and you might understand what is going on in dungeons pre-last phases.
Hahahaha what an absolutely garbage comparison.
Cringe if u think classic is for the hardcore ppl. The hardcore ppl that pay real money for gold with gdkp? 
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Where do you think I met those friends? Most of them I met with socializing with them in dungeons. I invite them again, we get to know each other and eventually become friends. Some people just want their marks, drops, reputation whatever. That is cool. Every once in a while I want that too. But most of the time I want to have fun. This is a game and the whole point of a game is to have fun. And for me, Iām having the most fun when I socialize. It makes sense for me to add other people that also like to socialize to my friend list, so I can run dungeon with people I like and have fun with. For some reason, some people think that makes me an elitist prick. I canāt help but think that the people that think that, is very entitled and demand everyone has to play with them whether they want to our not.
Yep. I donāt disagree with anything you said.
And Iām not naming you specifically or anything when I say this; but both sides seems to think the other are the āelitistā.
Iāve played with the LFG in Classic and TBCC.
I honestly expected to continue doing so in Wrath Classic at least until the ICC phase where Iād be able to switch to RDF again, just like all those years ago.
I will survive without it, but I appreciated the convenience. I recently joined my guild from a random ad posted in LFG chat but I couldāve have found them in dungeon groups as well, just like you did. I donāt mind chilling and chatting with these people, nor do I mind striking up a conversation in RDF or LFG, but most often, Iām pressured for time, and if we are stuck with the ādaily HCā emblem instead of the āget all weekly emblems in one dayā system, then I will be continued to be pressured to try and keep up with the rest. For that, Iād prefer the convenience of RDF to stay with me again like it has for so long now.
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Taking your friends on your group and be social like that nice right? Even itās not itās cool. I donāt care if people get my stuff or not we roll for it no reservation or other bs just go in do the dungeon when is our queue up not like reserving this and that or not getting this and that class etc. So nice right? Ow you have to try it man you gonna love it.
This is fine 100% but the point is that YOU like to play like this. Youāve said here: It is a game and you found your own way to have fun. What if I donāt find it that fun? What if for me fun is skipping the part where I have to ask for tank,dps and whatever, walk to the istance and blablabla?
What if I donāt care about socializing and I just want to make emblems because I wanna be a solo player or I do wanna socialize but with my guild that speak my own language?
To be completely fair with you, Iām level 67 and Iāve done few dungeons. If it wasnāt for me that I like to write and socialize, the WHOLE dungeon run conversation would have been:
āHey, wanna come SP?ā
āYes, invā.
āAre you guys all ready?ā
āYes, letās goā.
S T O P.
So what it is really important to understand is that it does not depend on the method you use to join dungeon, but is about the people you meet doing it, and I genuinely donāt get why it is so hard to understand.
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Because of 4 things:
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RDF is cross server. Unless you want the people you just met know all your alts, other games you play etc you canāt talk to them and you canāt ask to join for quests or dungeons later.
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The older I get that more I find out that people are in general not very nice. They are nice and polite to your face, but online a bunch of them are real trolls, unless they want something from you. When you can get invited to as many groups you want, no matter how rude you are, a lot of people get a whole lot more rude.
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Since you donāt need to make any effort whatsoever to make a group in RDF, you just press a button and wait, you care less. People care more when they have made an effort to get something, like a group going. So people are less likely to want to socialize even if they are on the same server, because they have invested less into it.
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For some reason the RDF punishes you if you want to go with your friends. If you donāt tell 2 of your friends they canāt come because you get less benefit. If you want those benefit you have to choose strangers over your friends.
So yes, you are correct that it is about the people you meet in the dungeon and not how you do it. But a lot of people change behavior when they join via RDF, instead of making a group manually. Not all. I have met a few people in RDF that I would have added to my friend list if they was on the same server, but they are few and far between compare to people that I make groups with manually.
Can You please elaborate more on this? Iām not sure what are You referring to.
Find Friends => Problem solved
Blizzard wonāt break the game, so a few people stop crying. They learnt not to do that in retail
You are like a guy in a nightclub, who stands in the corner, and watches all people dancing, and then cries, so that people get assigned randomly with who they wanna spend their night
NO CHANGES
What social experience? Massive lfg spam with gdkps? Constant gatekeeping of non meta classes? Amazing dude. My social experience so far, as a guildless rogue, who hasnt bought any gold is basically spending about 60 minutes whispering people for 5man hc to get 50% no replies, 45% negative replies and 5% ending up on an invite. Honestly simply gave up at this point. Joining a āraid pugā aka gdkp simply is idiotic as i would have to pay and I dont see myself farming to make gold that will end up paying for an item that will be rendered useless in a few weeks. And youd be like āthen join a non gdkp oneā which one? there is none. Some amazing social experience dude, amazing game. Maybe if youāve been playing nonstop and are in a guild, but what has that to do with random dungeon finder? Also, how is spamming lfg a social experience? doubt more than 5% actually talks more than the usual āhi thxā and the occasional moan when things goes bad. or asking for buffs? Some experience dude. rdf is a life savior for casual players, for time limited players, for players who dont want to be forced to spam people endlessly for an invite (socializing according to you). People who want to just do their own stuff when they have the time to play at all, queue for the daily rdf or whatever while they farm, lvl and so on. Also, how does having rdf neglects YOU from your social experience?