If it was 100% chance to root sure would be cool to team up with a mage that can nova 3.
Yeah, good luck with that. 
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I play on pve server so you cant hehe. I mainly lvling my char for tbc arena.
If there would be no tbc arena in the future i would have never played the game hehe.
I see, so OPâs issue is with cleave groups.
Itâs only because people are much more efficient at running the same old content that these groups are even more popular this time around.
If you play any game over and over, you are going to find the shortcuts.
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Why? It´s part of the mage kit. mages excel at aoe but are weak should the mobs get to them. A glass cannon, some might say.
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Warlock have actually higher aoe dmg then mages with hellfire. But to do that high dmg they need a healer and someone holding threat for them.
Same with my warrior buddy he makes really high dmg with sweeping strikes and we pull 10/15 mobs in sm and he out performs most mages dmg.
If a warrior outperforms a mage with 15 stacked mobs, the mage must be sleepin
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Not really a warrior that never rage starvs with sweepings strikes and a good 2hander even without ravager on that lvl, does insane dmg.
But he cant do it alone he needs spamhealing and someone that slows the mobs so he can run in and out of the mobs hitbox while loading new swing or he will get smashed.
Same comes with warlocks they need someone that holds good threat and some heals to cast hellfire.
But mages can do all that juicy stuff alone they need no one to shine thats my biggest issue.
A warrior can hit 2 mobs with cleave and 4 with whirlwind. Sweeping Strikes are gone in an instant after engaging a group of 4 + enemies. A mage can hit all 15 mobs at the same time and you say the warrior out damages that? must be some significant gear difference.
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Sweepings = 5 swings
Slow 3.6 axe = 11 seconds to get 5 swings out
So 8+4+4+8+4. Targets per swing After that the mobs in sm are kinda dead with 3 more aoe dpsers.
This is without considering ravager and windfury procs.
So you are telling me that your warrior mate just stands there using auto attacks 11 times instead of just using Sweeping strikes with whirlwind? lal
the Sweeping strikes are gone after using whirlwind, so he cant use it again for 30 seconds.
You forced me to upload a videon on youtube this is when we lvled alliance on old classic. First pull warrior get ravager proc. Second pull he dosent and still holds up high dmg, Same for warlock.
All this shoes me that a mage still smokes the warrior in damage, under normal circumstances that is. If the warrior had not gotten the ravager proc there, the mobs would´ve gone for the mage(s) much sooner than they did there.
No warrior can reliably hold aggro on so many mobs without engineering or some other gimmicks. even with bombs its very tough against mages blasting the mobs with blizzard. This âcleaveâ gameplay is annoying. I am glad that its not done to this extend in HC wow:D
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An example of very bad gameplay doesnât count as evidence for anything. Itâs a bit funny you showed your gameplay though tbh.
Those mages canât properly aoe because of that bad pull. The mages are forced to tank mobs and canât channel Blizzard. And you get secondaries instead of doing 1 big pull, further reducing the value of blizzard. You canât use this as evidence that warriors out dmg mages in aoe. You canât be seriousâŚ
Besides wasnât your whole post about mages nova needing nerfing? Are you arguing that warriors needs nerfing now or whatâs going on in here? 
No ppl are crying beacuse they say mages class Fantasy is that they can do big aoe, and thats why they need this broken nova.
I just showed that other classes can do big aoe aswell even if they dont have a spell like nova.
What makes classic wow good imo is that in most cases other classes helps other classes get good. Like that warrior and warlock would not be able to do that dmg alone.
But i guess you prefer the solo aoe grinding experience in WPL instead of the mmorpg feeling that i love.
When i think about it they should remove the nova completely and give it to bommiesđ
So, it´s just talking nonsense now since you aint got a real argument here? Gotcha.
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They did actually go for the warlock, hellfire does alot of threat. And they get spread out so its harder for warrior to hold threat still he is only 2k dmg behind the mage and this is WITHOUT WINDFURY!
Actually you are the only one I have ever seen complaining about frost nova.
Other classes can deal good dmg too, that is true. But no, a warrior will never beat a mage in aoe. Itâs just the way it is. This game is too old for you to try and convince anyone otherwise.
Eeeh what? You have no clue of what gameplay I like. I prefer the support-role really. Usually play priest/hpala or hunter. I fail to see how that is relevant thoughâŚ
In all that text you still didnât manage to produce a single coherent argument for your ideas. Be it frostnova or warriors out-dpsing mages in aoe.
My argument is still that mages can solo all content alone and i think that is bad.
What content might that be? Besides aoing down packs? They cant defeat bosses by themselfes, unless heavily outleveld and geared.
Let them aoe down large packs? What do i care? I can tank dungeons and plow down groups of enemies as a warrior. Mages cant just charge in head on, they gotta keep their distance.
Its the beauty of vanilla. CLasses are so vastly different. Not like wotlk and onwards.