A 3-5 minute cd makes the game unplayable? But a 2 min dispers is fine ? Or ice block , bubble etc? Or any other defensive that is way better. Lol
Dont bother explaining , its no point man. We can kill something by using most of our cds every 5 mins in wpvp. In bgs its A waste of time. And Pve is Even Worse , bleed and poisons with the armor values is griefing rogues to be honest
And if you can remove ff, the druids can’t use their toolkit vs you rogues. See the issue here? Rogues have waaaay too many ways to control the fight to have such defensives.
Rogues are cancer to wow pvp. Blizz shouldn’t make them even more cancer
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Agreed, rogues are pretty bad at the moment and we only do “insane damage” if we outgear you by A LOT or if we are opening on you when you’re low hp.
Most classes do far more damage than we do in PvP particular casters.
Cloak is coming if you like it or not! 
if not 50 then 100 % for 60
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Can casters also hide when they dont have CDs, when they are alone and want to avoid PvP, when they are out of mana and so on?
Shame you can pick when and if you want to do that “insane damage”, unlike everybody else who has to roll with whatever comes against them when it comes against them.
Using the zerg fest that is STV event as some kind of benchmark for PvP is really bad, I mean, who acually lives there more than a wave or two anyway. How about seeing it from a top down perspective instead of bottom up.
Why else would you go rogue ? What would rogue be without invis? Its the class lore lol! 
Oh my god this is so bad.
He is keyboard turning, doesn’t gouge, pauses to press evasion, seems to react 2 seconds late to everything.
This might be the worst rogue video I have ever seen.
Please do not listen to people who play like this for anything, ever.
Loktharen, please stop posting and play the game to improve.
You know nothing, cannot play the game properly, and thus aren’t in a position to comment.
But a Rogue can’t reset many fights these days, that’s the point.
I can be fighting a mage, whom blinks out of my initial stun, their friends come to help. This is where in original classic I would vanish and reset. They then cast living flame on me when I’m attempting to vanish. The spell effect follows me whilst stealth and is visible to all. This means they can AoE my location to break stealth. Now fair enough, mage isn’t so bad right. Probably the easiest caster to kill.
Let’s check shadow priests. In original classic they basically have one for, shadow word pain. In SoD they have several. They have defensive CDs like dispersion that breaks stun and of course, PvP trinket. Stunlocking them is quite difficult if they are good. They have so many long lasting DoTs that do so much damage, you can it simply vanish and reset the fight. Of course you can blind and try to kill them or heal. But you’re dying anyway if they’re half way decent, the damage from their dots is very high compared to our health pools.
If we take Warlocks, most Warlocks are running Meta. These guys are already very difficult to take In PvP. They are too tanky to take down in a one stunlock combo unless there is a big gear difference, and if they do get out of a stun they can simply dot you with drain life. Not only is this dot healing and cannot be interrupted if runed, it not only stops stealth but the beam follows you WHILST stealthed. So where as in the past you could at least use the couple of seconds before the next tick to reposition the warlock can see where you are anyway and so can everyone else.
Then there is of course Druids, whose faerie fire lasts for like 30secs and just completely nullifies your ability to reset and go into stealth.
Factor this into any group PvP scenario and rogues are more or less useless. Our defensive CDs like vanish are nullified by the fact they are countered in multiple ways by most classes and evasion offers no benefit against caster classes.
1v1 the situation isn’t so bad, rogues have always been good at this particularly when we can pick and choose fights. But given how underwhelming rogue damage is against clothes ATM there are very few specs we really excel against unlike in classic. The traditional victims in rock paper scissors balancing of vanilla is not so existent for rogues now.
Something like cloak of shadows would allow rogues to be able to reset against casters. If people don’t want this, then perhaps simply make vanish remove all dots, movement impairing effects etc instead, including faerie fire. Allowing the rogue to reset.
Alternatively, buff rogue damage. Rogue damage currently sucks anyway and the entire class is kept afloat by 40 energy mutilate. Not being able to reset against cloth wearing classes would not be such a major issue if our damage was actually good enough to kill them quickly as in original classic.
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based i honestly think
Rogues need some sort of debuff dispel… period. Faerie fire actually lasts around 35-40 seconds! Its disgusting how long rogue has to stay out of stealth before entering… we need something for this… its unplayable
Then make most other classes immune to melee damage and stuns. I as a druid can’t use my toolkit when I’m stunned.
If rogues will be able to dodge all melee attacks and be immune to magic, and be able to remove my ff so he can restart the fight and restart the stunlocking.
I can’t use my toolkit as any class vs a rogue when being stunlocked.
Lol a stun lasts <6 seconds a faerie fire lasts 40
a stun lasts 6 sec maybe, but then you get stunnet again. Thats why its called stunlock. You lock ppl by stunning them over and over again.
FF can be dispelled. So its balanced for group play.
Then a stun lock can be healed what a pointless argument.
exactly, so then its balanced as it is. No cloak needed
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You sure you know how to play ? Because for someone who is complaining about grp pvp, you seem to forget there are others around you, most of the ones that are healing? Yeah, they are Priests who can dispel.
Also, Rogues qqing about 45sec FF, yet fully ignore their sap duration xD Since they use it, it must be fine. In before im told “heartbeat m8!”.
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Tough luck finding a priest who actually heals yet alone dispells faeri fire prio you. Most healers can’t even heal you up when being swapped (rogues are main prio for enemies) and if you haven’t noticed most pug bgs are filled with shadow priest who ain’t offhealing or dispelling
Go on, try play a rogue and sap>cheap>blind 3 players and see what happens right after now that everyone has a trinket and every range (majority of every bg) has a dot. The moment you get out, ppl swap to you and dot you. Playing a rogue is very very annoying atm. Cloak or ams on a 1 min cd is a MUST to be able to enjoy a bit of rogue instead of being on a kamikazi mission all the time
every rogue complaining they are too weak…
yet, all others complaining they are waaaay too strong lol
Rogues has all the tools in their kit… completely idiotically for pvp
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