So here i am, a total moron for being delusional and supporting you when people were getting angry. Wait!! i said, Be patient!! i said, for the first time in years maybe blizzard is actually listening to us.
But many people warned me, and tons said no these guys just don’t know what to do anymore. I was skeptical before PTR and talked about this with several pro players, they said too “let’s wait for class balance”, i was like no no blizz is just giving us eye candy to shut us up. Boy was i right!!! Everything they promised was on PTR, here begins the delusion… Everything was good, dps was on point not overperforming compared to others in fact always a bit lower. But the single target 2h was looking to be good for PVP at that point even if a bit lower than others. The came prepatch, and wow just look at that “death is wearing a skirt” because of just one covenant bug frost DK gets nerfed and becomes completely unplayable again. Worst part is these nerfs that have been prematurely applied carry over to the actual patch, and even more nerf follow making frost DK a full on borrowed power class again that will never perform correctly if you do not have the exact amount of stats, items, conduits or whatever stupid “corruption” type mechanic.
Blizz you said you wanted players to get the feeling of class individuality again, and that we should not have to play on borrowed power again. But unfortunately you are full on liars. The most disgusting thing to me is i have been a diehard frost dk fan from the start, i have never really enjoyed unholy but since you introduced a new team of devs for DK around MOP the class has just been completely ruined over and over, and each time idiots whine about frost DK you instantly proceed to ruining it to make them happy.
I am disappointed, disgusted and ashamed of you treachery. When i tested my alliance frost DK on PTR it looked fine and i went to level a horde frost dk for SL, then on the disgusting prepatch day imagine the surprise. Now i have never played a warrior and i leveled a warrior to play arms for pvp just because of that. I just wanted to get my frost DK pvp back from wotlk and cata days, but instead i am force locked into fansub poll meta, hell i never played priest now i am even making a priest.
Well congratulations, just like BFA, legion, wod, mop i will be playing a disgusting xpac for barely a few months of the entire duration because it is disgusting to have to go through the same thing 8 years in a row. I sincerely hope you would do better this time.
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Yes frost mage is a far superior spec as always. It is sad to be deleting a character out of disgust i totally understand you. I am not one to delete or throw away something i have put effort into but as it is out of sheer disgust i will not be playing much. Had high hopes but i guess that’s a good recipe to lose millions of subs fast.
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It’s why I didn’t even give frost 2handed a look before saying from the very announcement it wouldn’t be usuable.
Everyone fought me on it screeching I’m doomstalking but I was obviously right
The only hope left is realistically those 2 abilities u get after level To which do impact obliterate damage by a fair bit does improve the playstyles ability at level 60.
Won’t be holding my breath tho.
I don’t think 2 handed frost would cost the game millions of subs however. 2handed frost wasmt rly meta for a long period of its life time and it’s never really driven many out the game 🤷
Think that is alittle hyperbole.
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PTR is was good, i was doomsaying before PTR. Then i changed my mind on PTR release but Pre-patch proved me wrong. There is no coming back from this shadowlands releases this month and the class has been nerfed completely, 0 balance. OP classes still OP and getting better kits still.
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PTR lacks 2 abilities
One which makes your proceed obliterates do frost damage which scales with mastery
The second which flat buffs the obliterate damage.
But yeah it’s looking pretty grim, they’re still wanting frost to dual wield, I won’t be suprised to see warriors SMF to be a DPS loss. And I won’t be suprised to see 2 handed WW monk fall off too.
Had a 2handed frost DK in my group earlier. He was over 20 ilevel higher and I outdps’d him as a enhancement shaman 🤷
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PTR at initial release was ok even with the missing 52-58 talents. But after that no sir, terrible imagine if it was only ok then to come to be this terrible. And now totally useless? ROFL you can’t even out dps any other class in the game unless you do a full breath rotation with all runic enhancers running. Single target you hit them like its a korean massage parlour.
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We are all in this pain together, long years of pain, ignored pain, no one hears us and those that do just dismiss us as entitled whining children crying about not being OP as we where FOR ONE PATCH in wrath, no dev will hear us, or our threads, or our feedback. Shadowlands was their final chance to make things right, time to become the joker.
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Guess it’s time to main blood for PvE and unholy for PvP again.
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It was a shame how the 2-H was gutted before we even got it to our hands. Of course we are getting the powers back in SL and we just need to wait a month more to get what we have promised. Therefore, I would not worry too much of the pre-patch version because 2-H looks still good in beta. The biggest problem is that many people who are not aware of the lvl 52 and especially 58 Obliterate boosts may make conclusion of Frost spec based on performance on pre-patch, from that point of view the devs implementation was not the best one.
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Unfortunately the 52-58 talents have already been taken into account. They have already pushed out new nerfs following the release date announcement. Obliterate 2H with everything aligned can barely crit 15k with everything optimized while say a paladin can crit you upwards of 32k easy.
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Paladins crit that high because of Wings, a CD which DK doesn’t have. The sustained damage is more or less the same for the 2 classes.
Just be hopeful that at least some changes happen before release.
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You do understand that the burst window is what is important for 2H and not the sustained damage? If we give korean massages as burst then what is the point, you will just get outhealed straight away. Compare to a monster bursting you to death and sending you on the brink forcing you to pull all def cds to survive in their burst window. Honestly i have no hope, making frost dk a full on borrowed power again while adding more nerfs when other naked classes can just make you sweat your melted ice.
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And what are these new nerfs exactly?
EDIT: I am curious because the latest BETA build 36401 few days ago had zero nerfs.
EDIT 2: How you have taken account lvl 52 and 58 rank 2 abilities if you have tested the PTR? You need to test the BETA to know how the spec works at level 60.
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my man, my sweet summer child, have you been behind the wheel of any class that is not frost Dk right now? pre patch or SL beta? even with those passives our damage WAS middle of the pack with some good burst rivaling Paladin, but instead of emergency nerfing insane classes like paladin and frost mage, MM hunter, Sub rogue etc etc etc AND ETC they decided to slap a killing nerf to Pillar wich affects us all, to MOTF itself and finally Obliterate itself, this was done WITH SL damage at max level in mind, other classes WHERE NOT TOUCHED, this is ignore, instead they blabber on about “intra spec balance” and other dumb nonsense, the only reason they care is because the majority of stooges on the DK discord seems to dont like 2 hand and have a bias towards BoS. and now they are happy that they can do their so called big brain long breaths that are so much skill cap and blablablablab… even when we ARE or WHERE in essence in beta middle of the pack overrall.
This is ignored, this is not talked about, this is dismissed as they deflect towards other reasons THAT MIGHT have relevance if it where not how bend over backwards they are to justify this 2 day hotfix nerf to us mainly
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Why would you see a nerf when they already destroyed the class completely last week by severely nerfing most potency conduits on top of the previous nerfs? Wait you really think that opening the latest build tells you the story of the nerfs stacking up and the end result? everyone who has tested beta will tell you the same thing, frost cannot burst anything down since the nerfs, 1 big heal and goes out and its over. You do not realize what they have done, i have check all of it and what they did is nerf down all damages and increase defenses slightly and then call it “balance”. And honestly you think that a pre patch hotfix clears all the bs nerfs they are putting live on SL? You really have to do the proper research first, everything i have said has taken shadowlands stats into account. We can barely sustain 8-11k crit damage and need all conduits, legendaries, buffs, trinkets aligned to get even near 15k crit and in PVP that translate to even less damage and the stupid supposed buffs to defense are useless against the sht tons of cc kit other classes have to stop you. Add insult to injury our self heal has been reduced further. So now i will tell you this again, go add up all the nerfs and come back with your conclusion.
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Well i blame the rune revamp. The oblit of old hit like a truck simply cus it wasn’t as available as it is now and needed diseases on top of that, which need a little prep time and two runes unless you had outbreak up.
Maybe they should just make Oblit cost 3 runes and beef the damage bonus up a notch when wielding a 2h so we can get those spicy Oblit crits. Then you’d have an interesting choice, do you want to be fast and consistent or slow and hit like a man.
I dunno, the class in general isn’t as fun as it used to be, pre-Legion.
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I have followed really closely every weeks changes for the BETA and so is DK community Acherus. The common consessus is that FDK’s situation is good, not destroyed or underperforming. The conduit changes for Frost were nothing huge, few nerfs for Eradicating Blow, Unleashed frenzy and few scaling changes for Everfrost and Accelerated cold (which was also buffed slightly), similar treatment what different classes/specs got quite widely. At the same time DK Covenant ability potency conduits got buffed in general, therefore, it was not just about nerfs.
Those who claims that Frost DK is totally destroyed are not actually aware of the real situation what is happening in BETA. Frost is looking good for both PvE and PvP, at least at the moment, but things can obviously still change. The sims and testing are still running and cannot be finalized until closer the release. Those who want more information of DKs situations, I suggest to join check out DK Discord community Acherus, people are very helpful there to answer any questions.
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It is ruined end of story. The moment you say “we want you to play without borrowed power” then proceed to fking the class up and then tuning borrowed power instead that’s it. Class should have priority always not additional mechanics, so again same bs if you don’t have specific gear, conduits and stats you are useless. I will not be playing a retarded bad frost DK when you can just go arms or rogue and dominate melee pvp. It is finalized in case you are not aware even the 10th and release the 23rd they will not be doing any major vamps, end of the show. Main classes mage priest rogue again overpowered AF. Arms PVP still op AF. Paladin all 3 specs op AF. Hunter op AF. I don’t like unholy so that’s that, fk unholy.
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there is a concerted effort going on propagated by a few trolls and other semi high profiles ont he US forums, which ironically might have a dev read them, and that is that habing 50-70% of our damage to be inside obliterate is bad game design and not fun and the people dont want it and all that filler spice they speak of from their towers of authority. And nevertheless i agree that having TO MUCH damage into one ability can create problems, but the people over there are nto honest, BoS have acted in the exact same manner but now when our weapon strikes actually began to pack punches again it’s not good design apparently, the people over there drive me insane, especially since so few people call them out on it, plus that other classes might have similar ability dmg patterns of one doing alot more, and that is fun, i will never get why they say it is not fun or good design (unless its over the top of course, i am a reasonable man despite my undying rage and vitriol)… and personally i dont care if we Dual wield or use a two hand if only we could actually be waht we have been designed to be since wrath, punishing strikes and methothical debilitating slows and annoyances with a decicive punch once we can swing our weapons, boS needs to die.
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if in that you mean its another 3 years of BoS in EVERY PvE situation i would rather join the foreign legion, regarding PvP i press a big X to doubt unless they do some HUGE aura nerfs or tuning on al the chosen high roller classes they ignored and left broken for so long, and on another note, we shall truly see how it feels 4+ months into SL how the class really feels and performs. no elitist ivory tower discord is going to soothsay anything and downplay clear transgressions.
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