I personally don’t want another 2 years of obliteration being dead. It literally simmed 10-11k dps lower than icecap for me towards the end of 8.3 with around 475 avg ilvl. By the looks of things I would say blizz are putting in effort to fix this.
Trying to use a 2hander is painful right now but oblit is hitting hard on the beta and it’s not too long until SL. Stand fast, there will be massive tuning come the first raid and pvp season. Also I’ve always been a fan of oblit doing the vast majority of our damage with diseases and cleave being a smaller portion. The playstyle is more fun and it’s why I want that talent to be good and competitive.
I will say it again as i have said before, most of these people who are saying frost DK is good have absolutely no idea what the meaning of good is because they play warrior, mage, rogue all the time. To them it feels good, because they know that when you roll your DK they gona wipe the floor with your @ss with their class. They are so used to it being terrible that they have no clue what to label as being good. And yes the dumb devs listen to dumb players of paladin mage etc telling them stupid stuff instead of actually listening to DK players that have mained it for years on end. Whatever the whiny kids tell them is not good for DK they gobble like p0rn actresses and spit it back on us and then we are left with another rotten spec over and over again. But us the actual players who play and feel the difference and what is really need, they will not listen. We are death knights, in 2H we are fully centered on Obliterate because it is our rune spender we have no other spender and what is the fkin point of destroying our spender completely, they have already ruined howling blast all the years effectively eliminating our burst with just that, because HB before had bigger initial damage with lower rime proc but gave us the opportunity to actually burst with a good setup and patience, now we have a cray bad long @ss dot instead and 0 initial damage.
coming from a numbskull paladin? you make me laugh. what are you doing stalking death knight players and talking sht to them? i use my brain and not follow random stupidity because intelligence was given to me, i am not a happy go lucky idiot that just rolls op paladin click 2 buttons on a death knight for a few days and say yep it is good just so you can win pvp games with ease.
Temp verdict over 15k, divine storm over 10k, exec over 25k, final reck over 20k, wake of ashes over 15k and you dare tell me frost DK is goo with our crappy 10k obli that does not go above 15k without using everything? GET A CLUE!!
Yeah I agree that there should be more focus on classes and specs and less for borrowed powers, but that is more like a problem in general rather than a Frost DK specific. I have mained FDK from WotLK and I have a good feeling I know the spec better than average player. However, that does not have much to do how Frost is performing in Shadowlands BETA. I want all the best for Frost but crying and b*tching about the problems and especially of things what are not true does not actually help anybody.
we shall see once a few months of Sl have passed and first raid tier is somewhat on farm for people, i am very skeptical because either way we lose, another 3 years of BoS (and dont give me that crap about that we should be happy we can atleast do good on the meterz!!!111, see how you like it if they reduced all of the damage of every skill you had as a paladin and then put it into a final talent that no one wanted and is completely against the feel and fantasy of the spec…we will call it divine breath, it eats a holy power every 1.5 or something and your crusader strike cooldown is halved when it is active, then come back here and tell me you want that impostor spell and identity on your class)
yea you wait and see, me i have seen enough already and i have a warrior ready to go instead of DH this time around. i will not suffer another humiliating expansion where i am being refused to do M0 or tickle enemy in pvp because my class cannot do sht.
At the moment it looks like DW BoS is slightly ahead of 2-H Obliteration. Of course we are still waiting the final tuning and results from sims. I do not hate BoS but I am not a huge fan of it either. I am really waiting the return of 2-H and most likely going to play that anyway, even it would be few percentages behind. It can be that BoS is only better if you can master that playstyle, but with 2-H Obliteration it is much easier to get steady and better results.
Ivory tower elitist… There is always people who will defend their favorite till very end like some people do with 2-H. Some of the “elitist” are also very interested to see 2-H as an options beside breath.
I don’t get it, i sincerely don’t get it. Why is everyone fixating on 2H performance in PVE and not looking at the extremely negative impact all this has on PVP. 2H frost is a pvp build mainly, you want to PVE with it fine you will do less DPS but if that sht dnt perform as the intended 2H pvp spec it should there is no point in there being 2H back in the game just to please us with eye candy.
The reason im popping of so much against the Dk discord is that they should be more skeptical and rock the boat more instead of being chained dogs, the logical reaction to a clear overnerf in what happened 2 days before prepatch dropped on us for little or no reason while countless classes where untouched, Nothing they, or anyone that echoes their words as gospel can refute this, it was a malicious last minute backstab.
You see, i would be much much much less agitated and quite frankly insane if they just blanket nerfed every single insane class 2 days before prepatch ALONGSIDE us…even if we hardly needed such a heavy nerf. the pillar change was to much, that is how i see it…but nevertheless here we are.
Actually 2-H is performing really well in PvP, 2-H FDK is a monster in 1v1 situations and really good in Arena as well. Good youtube sources are e.g. Stoopzz, Supatease and Flarkness TV. Acherus is always a really good place to get more information and discuss with other DKs of any topics. No-one of us can predict how the things will eventually going to be but at the moment Frost DK’s situation looks good.
DKs really got the stick here no doubt about it. I couldn’t get my head around the paradox that was running
“It’s prepatch it doesn’t matter”
“Cool so why nerf us 2 days before prepatch, it wasn’t even busted?”
“It’s only prepatch it doesn’t matter”
Testing was showing 3-4K oblits. Ultimately though some classes got prepatch fun and others didn’t. I also remember playing unholy during the last prepatch where the balance didn’t matter but if memory serves both assass rogues and unholy got nerfed hard during that event. Balance for prepatch doesn’t matter, except when it does. Just glad we have a release date and can look forward to it and this will hopefully be a bad dream in a few months.
Yeah I agree that the pre-patch was handled very poorly from Blizz behalf. They should have been give us the 2-H what we have been waiting for a year now and not leave the huge Obliterate passives to wait for SL. I was disapointed too and I have left my FDK to wait the release and not even try to play with the current version. The biggest problem with the situation is that a good amount of FDK players will make conclusion based on the performance in pre-patch, because they are not aware of the situation in BETA. The Pillar of Frost change was kind of weird and it looks like it was a slight nerf, even it was removed from GCD and the strenght bonus was buffed from 15% to 20%. I understand this is related to Icecap change and increase the PoF CD reduction from 3s to 4s, but idk, I would prefer the old 45sec Pillar much more.
Again i will say this to you, i not been doing assumptions based on pre patch data. All of it was after analyzing and looking and current beta data. Everything concerning conduit nerfs, legendary items nerfs, covenant changes and nerfs again, base stat and % nerfs, nerfs pushed out because of bugs that had no relation to the class itself, nerfs to damage to favor defenses in conduits, nerf to basic surv and move kit, overcomplication of self sustain, disregarding completely the negative impact of these nerfs on PVP in the presence of healer “duels are not pvp in my book”, having no real pressure kit and no mobility to sustain even a little pressure, easily outhealed, over reliance on items and legendaries to perform “yet again”.
Rage of the Frozen Champion and Koltira nerfs were revert and Biting Cold is buffed few times. Those three could be considered our best options atm and every one of them are really good and have great synergy with our abilities, talents and conduits. Conduits are tuned down in general and not just for Frost, therefore, the changes should not be just look from one spec pov rather examine the situation as whole. Blizzard could not balance the Covenant/Soulbind/Conduit system like they wanted (no surprise there tbh) and now their only option is tune down the whole system so the balance issues can be minimized. Anyway, clearly your mind cannot be changed so I leave you to live in your biased FDK future. I suggest to join Acherus to get updated information of DKs.
At this point i would just go with put only mage, rogue, priest in the fking game and be done with it. These 3 for the last 15 years have been wow top classes that never receive a single nerf, keep getting betting kit and always overperform at everything.
Here’s my Death Knight you “numskull” as you put it. I posted on the wrong character. Played Ret since Wrath and dropped it as an alt for DK because it’s much better.
Intelligence certainly isn’t there in your post. You’re angry at nerfs when you probably aren’t on the Beta to see what it’s like.
FYI Final Verdict hits 10K Max. It’s Executioner’s Sentence that hits hard. But Ret has too many damage modifiers.
You don’t sound like you’re basing data on Beta, sounds like Pre-Patch, WHICH DOES NOT MATTER. Plenty people here telling you this but you are blinded by anger from the nerfs.
You don’t have any meaningful PvP achievements to base your anger on either and that’s what I’m seeing you complain about. No real raid achievements either by the looks of it.
Pipe down.
There is always people who will defend their favorite till very end like some people do with 2-H. Some of the “elitist” are also very interested to see 2-H as an options beside breath.