It’s a joke indeed, but a joke we will have to play with for 3 years now, they are done with us now, they are happy with our state.
The main reason why Unholy does so much damage atm is that their new mastery system scales extremely well with Azerite gear perks and essences. Because of that people are stacking mastery as much as possible. Azerite gear and essences are stopping to work at SL launch and Unholy will not be that bonkers anymore.
However, in latest SL beta raid tests Unholy is really strong when compared to other melee classes and specs. It is performing better than Frost but there is a chance it will get nerfed.
I am not that happy about Pillar of Frost changes either, but we have to remember that it was not just about a nerf, it was more like an overall change/rework. The CD was increased from 45sec to 60sec and the duration was decreased from 15sec to 12sec. However, the strength bonus was buffed from 15% to 20% and PoF was taken out of GCD and is now instant cast. Still imo a slight nerf even the 60sec CD is now line with at least 3/4 of our covenant abilities.
this is mostly because of the mastery change, before we had extremely good aoe cleave but now we can scale with mastery for singletarget also with pet dmg, Dark trans(unholy pact) being a very good CD paired with blight and, hopefully with conduit and talent, apocalypse every 45sec.
this also makes them more “mobile” for mechanics without losing much dmg from downtime on boss
unholy also have 2 good main stat buffers in RFC and unh pact that wont be affected by diminishing returns like secondary stats.
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Pillar was overnerfed to stick it to people finally having hope that BoS would get the Icecap and Obliteration treatment in BfA/Legion, In that case being being not viable for 80% of the expac duration. they buffed the str by 5% ? Then a duration or Cooldown nerf is justified, not both.
I also wonder if this post will get mass flagged and removeed aswell since i step on certain people toes yet again
I would personally keep the 45sec because it gives more leeway but I can also see the reason behind the change. Like I mentioned earlier the 60sec is nicely line with most of the DK covenant abilities (NF 30sec, Necro 2min, Venthyr 1m). Moreover, Icecap PoF CD reduction was increased from 3s to 4s which was one part of this overall change. However, Icecap will be useless in SL because it looses all azerite gear synergies.
this result is exactly what i expected when people got excited about two handed frost hah
The worst news for 2-H lovers is that it looks like DW performs better also with Obliteration build. That is not a huge surprise thought because 2-H lacks the extra runeforge and has slower auto-attack rate. It is kind of hard to balance that with 2-H MotFW, however, devs could revert the 30% Obliterate damage to 35% and start from there. That could at least put 2-H in better position in ST scenarios even they would still be behind in AoE.
In other words R.I.P 2h frost yet again in competitive scenarios. Thanks Blizz…
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In the case of Blizzard buffing 2-H Obliterate damage, shouldn’t it be be quite good on AoE with Obliteration and the Night Fae ability? Cleaving Obliterates sound’s pretty good in theory (not saying that going NF is a great idea though).
You right that with NF, Obliteration will be strong in two target cleave situations, there is no doubt. It might be that DW will be better option also there, but we have to wait for the sims getting ready with the covenant abilities. Death’s Due’s AoE damage is not that good because Death and Decay’s damage is almost negligible. There is this Withering Ground potency conduit which boosts Death’s Due’s damage by 50-120% so it has potential to be okay, at least it needs a good amount of targets to do any real favor.
I personally expect that NF Obliteration will be good option for M+ but not sure how good it will be in raid environment. It looks like Kyrian Obliteration offers better ST and DW BoS is overall a real good in all scenarios. I would wait a little bit closer to release before saying anything for sure. I know it is getting close but sims are not finished yet, especially those which takes consider covenant abilities.
I have been on 2H for 3 full days. I can tell people right now in PVE it does not even perform as close as other classes, first rime procs are terrible, you are rune starved all the time, the only way you can sustain some damage is gathering storm and you cannot do it because you are rune starved. 2H obliterate damage is only good when you get killing machine procs, and let me tell you killing machine barely ever procs “the only way to make obli 2h efficient is to add at least 30% frost damage to it because normal obli deal under 1k and normal obli crit doing barely 1.6k”, and last off since you are rune starved all the time, your runic power generation is down the gutter so bye bye sustain damage. Surv is worse than before vs other classes impossible to pvp you get drained in 2 secs and none of your defensives can help you. Self heals are all down the gutter in 2H, first death strike has been nerfed so hard even a silly mob on the map makes you sweat, they targeted lichborn self DC supposedly as a heal play, but how the hell are you gona do that if your runic power gen is plucked? So many fails, so many dumb decisions on nerfs. So disgusting.
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Now we w8 for ppl from that DK Discord to come and tell us how everything is fine 
you know… later, with more gear our survivability will magically be fixed, our dps will be great…
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As it stands now I’m a 181 ilvl 2 H frost dk and I feel utterly useless. I’m being stomped and oneshotted by literally everyone, it has never been this bad. Other players kill me in 2 globals even though they are 20-30 less ilvl than me. There is not a single class I feel stronger than or am able to contest properly.
My Obliterate crits for 2,5k-3k with all procs up. Meanwhile Resto Shamans Lava Burst me for 5k+ crits, Hunters Aimed Shot for 12k+ crit, Paladins Templar’s Verdict 10k+ crits and with covenant they can proc 3 judgements in a row instantly dealing a total for 20k damage. These are just a few examples.
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Don’t bother with is, i switched to unholy. I do double the damage of frost in all situations. I am constantly over 2.5 average, burst opening over 5k single. AOE should not be mentioned it is unholy. Frost i had average dps around 1.5k, burst around 2.6k, aoe around 2k and always lwoering to 1.2k in all situations. Frost Die ultra fast, can’t pvp, cannot even take care of 1 elite. I am disgusted and i knew all that would happen, but guess what so many idiots non DK players, report and get posts deleted for the fun of it cuz they are stupid when i say all that.
This i too have seen and felt personally.
Chaos bolt 9k, eviscerate 8k and much more in pvp. Where you can barely obliterate for 5k. why u still on frost, go UH you wont regret, it is disturbing for me to tell some1 to go play UH as i hate UH.
i was hit by a 10 k monk risin sun kick or whatever the name was, thats a physical skill mind you.
Qq I was hit by X; wawawa I was beaten by X in WPvP; pathetic whiners.
DK needs huge nerfs and you will get them, and I’ll come here and laugh