yeah that’s definitely what i’m saying, glad to see you’re capable of having a discussion in good faith 
2 Likes
While I’m all in for some conflict and general distrust towards the VEs given the most recent developments in 8.3, it would occur a bit odd to me to go with a full blown-out riot and in most cases not taking any blows from the NPC guards that are all over the place in Stormwind. Just as it was a bit odd when such thing was done as the race first came out.
3 Likes
You’re the one that started writing nonsense like this, while for guards it’s really simple.
Void elves in Stormwind are citizens of the Kingdom/Alliance until proven otherwise or ordered by their King.
So yes, guards should move out of their way to protect (innocent) citizens of the Kingdom.
2 Likes
The elephant in the room here is really that RPing under the constant presumed watchful eye of an NPC that very few people represent is tedious and often just not fun. Your character is apprehended by nobody and no interesting RP comes out of it.
Riots in which players say “right my character has been handled by the guards” after logging are infinitely more engaging than scenarios where everyone is playing nice because, as I said, they’d be halted by something nobody is representing, unless a player decides they want to DM their own arrest.
FWIW, I wasn’t really a fan of the riots (though I do generally say that it’s for the best that Void Elves are generally mistrusted or only tolerated, not accepted), but I always found the guard argument to be a little odd.
3 Likes
Thing is… in most cases the players will not think about doing any of that and they’ll instead dodge any and all consequences that come from starting a riot/participating in it, which does feel a little bit unrealistic and unfair towards all the void elf players in SW who might get their characters hurt during the happenings.
4 Likes
On the one hand, I agree to a degree.
But full out riots and murders and lynch-mobs in one of the most heavily guarded and militant cities and kingdoms of the world with no consequences at all? Sorry I find that hard to accept.
It would be more acceptable if it happened outside of militarised villages and hamlets such as in Duskwood or Westfall or Eastvale.
4 Likes
Let us never forget that the Queen of Stormwind died in a riot. They likely go down with the royal family, like a lead balloon.
saying that guards aren’t omniscient etc is nonsense…? I’m wondering what you’re basing this on.
But then, you’re also the one that thinks me saying king Wrynn isn’t everywhere to personally point the way is me saying Wrynn is a genocide enthusiast so 
Why? Nothing we haven’t seen before. Remember some girl by the name of Tiffin?
yeah remember when i said that no one should get any consequences whatsoever somewhere in this thread? huge point that i totally stand by
(spoilers: not a thing i said. Stop trying to fill in the meaning of my words and instead just read the actual words i write down, amigo)
1 Like
My experience of the previous riot was people were cooperative to the few guard RPers that were there and (anecdotally) several people mentioned that their characters had spent a night or two in the Stockades following it. I won’t really talk for the people who want to imagine Stormwind is some weird Necromunda-tier gang war setting, but people are (in my experience) more receptive to consequence than you anticipate.
If an RP riot happens in a hub where nobody roleplays, was there a riot in RP?
4 Likes
I am sure Shadowtwili said this based on the way most RPers in Stormwind would’ve behaved should this kind of thing happen with the patch release, not assuming anything about your general idea. The riot is one of these things that could in theory end up being a fun event for everyone to partake in, but in practice it’ll most likely end up similar to the stuff going on back during the race release where people were being chased around, consequences were largely ignored and there was no counter-force to the rioters in the form of large number of guards that the city would realistically have.
Maybe this would work out as a DMed thing or with some people being willing to NPC the guard characters at a previously agreed upon date, but otherwise… I am sceptical and feel like this would be just weird RP that does not make much sense, in the end.
1 Like
He should pro’lly specify that then, instead it just looks weirdly out of place especially when preceded by his weird exaggeration of my words before.
I always hear the opposite whenever people talk about it honestly, but I can’t say I was there, nor should it mean that riots should never happen in RP again.
It’s nonsense as in, that isn’t a valid argument because Stormwind is one of the most, if not the most, militarised Kingdom in the Alliance. There’s a guard on almost every corner (because surprise, surprise, the Alliance capital needs to be safe). Not withstanding that much of it’s military forces will be returning home soon™
The funny thing about being the King of Stormwind is that he doesn’t need to be everywhere personally. If he allowed the void elves into the city as allies and citizens then by all rights the guards are duty bound to protect them as citizens of the city and Kingdom. Or are the humans of Stormwind also allowed to riot and murder against the night elves, draenei (look like demons!), dwarves and gnomes?
You’re right ofcourse, you outright said King Anduin Wrynn was totally fine with genocide against the void elves, even if he was present.
Oke, you got me there. But I still find it weird that a riot (with intent of murdering civilians) could happen in a city that’s nearly fully geared towwards war and where the soldiers are returning from battlefields across the globe.
Don’t worry about it, Marolenn is just lashing out at this point. I mean she said Anduin would be fine with void lads getting kicked, so there would certainly be no consequences for the ones that do that.
Now, that’s an unnecessary personal attack 
1 Like
Are you sure? I distinctly remember him going on about how they’ve basically run out of qualified military personnel, pretty sure that’d pull from the city guard pool too.
Totally. Much like how if he ordered his people to patrol and root out Old God corruption, like we see Liadrin do in Orgrimmar, by all rights the guard are duty bound to arrest/eliminate all that they perceive as Old God corruption.
I’m not saying that’s every single void elf, before you try to spin it into that 
Quote me on that please, you’re just making it up/over-interpreting my words.
yeah it is tbh, i’m just trying to have a discussion and twili is trying to turn it into me saying stuff I haven’t remotely even implied.
If my words are unclear, twili, you can ask instead of spin it into me saying everyone is a velf genocide enthusiast. Really. It’s that easy.
Again, this isn’t an argument over the state of Stormwind in lore, it’s an issue over the way things are represented in RP. Those are two very different things.
You’re comparing two races which have been friends to humans for centuries, one which has been a part of the Alliance since Classic, and one since TBC, to a new addition which is infused with a current existential threat.
From my experience in the previous one, there wasn’t a unified goal to murder civilians and I saw a decent amount of Void Elves RPing in areas that the rioters weren’t. Stormwind is a big hub, big enough that you can probably avoid potential riots.
Unnecessary.
1 Like
Although, reading through the OP, I would have to say that
does feel a bit extreme and not like something that could possibly happen unless we assume the stance that Anduin did indeed order his guards to search around for the void elves.
Sure. But in the context of the paragraph that quote is from, it’s me theorizing and spitballing some hypotheses about what might happen. It’s not really me saying that it’s exactly what’s gonna happen.
1 Like
That’s alright, was just giving some feedback on the idea!
1 Like
Yeah imagine if any VE RP-er gets inconvenienced again when a bunch of commoners go crazy from Old God voices and decide to try and kill Void Elves as if they are the source of the eldritch whispers inciting them for bloodshed
8.3 is the patch where any RPer gets a free pass to play a lunatic throwaway alt, whether they are Old God cultists, plain old crazies or overzealous / ignorant locals. Bring the riots, pitchforks and lynchmobs!
4 Likes
And they started conscripting peasants, and if they conscript peasants they also send out criminals and since both of those are conscripted it stands to reason that every ablebodied citizen of Stormwind should/could be conscripted by this point.
So logically speaking, the city is basicly a ghost town and there are not enough people to riot against the void elves that should not be really present either.
Problem solved.
Not all void elves and void elf sympathisers, ofcourse.
Or did you mean let’s hug up some void lads?
Your reaction:
But ofcourse I am the one turning it into stuff you never actually said, while you were the one that started implying I meant that all guards are omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent.
Your words are very clear, sadly.
Honestly, I try to keep my RP as close to lore as possible, it’s fine if people wanna RP Stormwind as a nearly empty lawless haven but I am not forced to accept or go in with that kind of headcanon.
I don’t know about that. Remember the high elves have been (aloof) allies for around 3.000 years, just because they’re purple (like their other elf friends) doesn’t mean much, no? Aslong as they don’t openly use void magics!
I’ll be honest, I only visited those riots OOCly because none of my characters had a reason to be in SW at the time.
And yes, alot of things went well, but there were also people openly screaming for the death of void elves and chasing them (if a void elf was near that wanted to get involved).
Is that confirmed though? That the presence of void elves make the Old Gods able to whisper to people? Because as far as I know the Old Gods where always capable of whispering deep, dark, naughty things to anyone, wherever they were anyway?
Also, sorry for the loooooong post.