To be a successful company, you cater to your widest audience. The widest audience is casuals.
You can still do a whole lot in the game, mind you, you can climb M+ key levels, participate in PvP, do better at raids, get into content you didn’t before. If you choose not to, that’s your choice to skip content you could do. You could, you just don’t. It’s there, you just don’t partake in it for one reason or another, but keep complaining there’s nothing to do.
because there is nothing to do. and as long as there will be nothing to do i will keep pointing it out.
as well as the fact that because of terrible state of SL wow officialy has no less players active then FF14 - even though wow is only 4 months after release of new expansion
someone in blizzard has to take personal responsibiltiy for this disaster.
heads need to roll so that this game could have any future.
Have you cleared Mythic raid? Achieved KSM? Earned Gladiator? Collected all the collectibles? Finished all the side-quests? All four covenants? Did you finish all the achievements, dungeon, raid, and world alike? No? Then there’s lots to do.
Who cares? It still has more players active than in most recent expansions at 4-months in. I wouldn’t call that a disaster, but rather a success. Pretty sure there are more people playing Minecraft than WoW, but that doesn’t make WoW a disaster.
I believe it’s quite the opposite, decent guilds just require you not to be a jerk, and do not force their members to do mandatory stuff.
raids are flex up to HC so guilds don’t need a fixed exact number of committed raiders.
unless by decent guild you mean mythic raiding guild.
Well. Suck it up.
At least it’s not classic. otherwise, you had to find dungeons in a damn trade chat.
You have no CR, the highest key you’ve done is a 12 and you’ve been 9/10 HC for all of the time you’ve been whining on the forums (so like 2 months? idk). Yet you’re here claiming that there’s nothing to do.
There’s plenty of things to do, you’re just either incapable or unwilling to do them. At that point just unsub and wait for the next patch/expac/quit altogether. But I guess moaning on the forums about lack of things to do is better than actually logging on and doing those things.
You can but it is a bit of an illusion isn’t it? You can do M+ but try to join a +2/+3 without an RIO score or history and you will have issues, make your own key as a DPS (I’n my experience just does not work).
PvP - Unrated is a clusterfudge at the moment. Rated, yes you can join no cr, no exp bgs to get into rated but you will quickly hit a very large wall. Arena, not bothered this exp pack but getting to 1K for the essence was not fun at all (even on a DH which was good at the time) and from what I have read Arena is worse than bgs for carries, high geared players one shotting people.
Raids - Probably the most open of areas in the game - You can if you are prepared to queue get into normal raids on a WQ/Conquest geared character but you will be rejected many times before you do.
So TLDR there are options for a ‘casual’ (I hate that word) is there but they are illusions of progress.
But that’s the thing about MMOs usually no? It’s easier to play if you do so with a premade group. I’m not talking about you or anybody else specifically but as a general idea.
Casuals have it the best they’ve had imho. They get normal raid tier loot -3 ilvls from doing WQs. That may even push them into normal raiding since they’re pretty much there gear wise. One can make an argument that their progression ends after they’re in full 197 from WQs but mythic raider’s progression also ends at some point. Thing is one content is infinitely easier and gives out gear more regularly than the other so one’s progression ends earlier.
Now there used to be AP in Legion and BFA which you could grind for but please for the love of god let’s not bring infinite grinds back in the game 
This is the problem though isn’t it? There is a duality here, you are ‘done’ as a low level player so some people will happily walk away for a while - that’s cool. Others will try and move up the ladder and access these instanced activities (which is what the game needs new blood in raids and M+, more tanks etc) - this is where the trouble starts for them.
The game (for me) lacks progression from non-instanced content into instanced content and then within instanced content through the levels.
I’ve had a few bad weeks and have posted (in anger) a few threads on here regarding how hard it has been for me to do 10s/8-10 Heroic and get to 1400 in rbgs. (rbgs aside - ive not tried - I am now 10/10H and have done an 11 and a few 10s so I am getting there, but god damn it has been frustrating)
Progression is too hard for those that don’t have a guild, I agree it should be easier for those that have an organised group (guild or not) but my experience now as a solo pugger is very much different from Legion and Bfa (I do accept that Havoc DH was looked at very differently in those xpacs.) I don’t know how to fix this, it is a societal issue but ultimately the game will suffer if more people cannot progress.
I tank only when running with IRL friends and thas limits how high can i go on tank, my 208 ilvl warr isnt enough to do + 7 as it seems, spent about half anhour applying to all 6~10 and nothing and 190 mm hunter can run m+ only as a +2 key donor, so tell me more about that content theres a lot of
Tbh I wish I could just go back to Legion launch and relive the expac. There was so much to do for everybody and was the first expac I actually bothered to level every class to cap and gear them decently just to see the storylines and get some mounts in my downtime lmao.
Anyway. I am fully on board with blizz adding different types of progression for the casual playerbase. Be it mounts, transmogs or something new they come up with.
What I’m heavily against however is the fact most people just advocate for gear. They want more and more gear for doing the same content that most people do for a few hours on their freshly dinged 60 alt. All in all, horizontal progression is fine for that type of content, vertical is not (past a certain point anyway).
Ain’t nobody taking a 190 hunter to anything. With valor there’s plenty of decently geared people running any type of key to farm some quick VP.
Looking at your RIO you’re barely 900 at this point in the expac. That’s just extremely low compared to what most people are looking for in LFG. You struggle to time 10s/11s so that’s just throwing out red flags for everybody.
Obviously playing with friends is more fun, but if you really wanted to push keys I guess you’d need to look at the people you play with. Your current group isn’t getting much further since ya’ll struggle in the 11 range. Not the thing you want to hear, obviously but that’s the truth.
I get what you are saying and from one point of view it is hard to argue (though you are not replying to me, you could be with those same numbers my RIO is 708 and I am not 190).
However it is a game and it is supposed to be fun, I looked at some of the guild application forms a few weeks a go (was mentioned on a reddit thread so I went to see myself) and I have done job interviews that asked less. People have lost touch in what we are doing here, everything is supposed to be meta and min/maxed. A lot of the player base have optimised fun out of the game.
It does not feel sustainable to me if we continue down this path, there will be no new players moving up and improving (what they are told to do on forums like this) because there will be too many barriers (and this time it isn’t Blizzard creating them.)
People need to walk a mile in the other guys shoes.
But how about the other side of the coin? Me and many others find our fun in that exact optimizing.
Is the AOTC guild asking for full optimization stupid? Yeah of course, they don’t need meta classes/specs/covenants. What they need is half-decent players. But if one were to apply to a high end mythic guild then yeah, optimization is part of that.
so your only answer is "if you did all content on difficulty X do it on difficulty X+1 and then again on X+2 … and then on X+N "
and people wonder why this game is dying.
where is the world content that would offer your power progression ?
where is proffessions content that would offer you either power progression or cool/funny/ridiculous transmogs ?
where is tinkering with your chars - where are good times of reforging / multiple coloured gems / glyphs ?
where are interesting talent trees like in PoE ?
game is sad shallow shade of its former glory
I don’t disagree with you at all, you have fun the way you want. I’m a heroic raider running 10s I am in the middle of this tug-of-war I can see both sides (I like a sim btw and have enchantments, use oils etc. even us plebs like being the best we can) .
As I have said the player base feels more divided than ever and I don’t think Blizzard can fix it, we need to look at ourselves and maybe invite someone we wouldn’t once in a while, do some content that is below us. Help and inform when mistakes are made instead of rage quitting and drop ‘R’ bombs all over the place.
I recently was looking at my behaviours, I queue using a filter that only shows groups with 2 people in, after thinking about my ‘using my own key’ issues I realised I wouldn’t show on my searches so I have changed it I no long filter out single DPS groups and can apply to them. Hopefully my small change can help a bit.
The world has got more selfish our time is more precious than ever and the player base reflects that. However from my experiences the results as they stand are worrying, I’m not sure I can continue with this battle and I am more committed that most (500 days played since August 2016)
I’d wage the fact that gear drops are scarce, and timing keys means increasing rio which in turn could mean easier access to keys along with plethora of other factors play into it. I reckon that’s why VP drops the same from all key levels, to entice higher tier players to go into lower keys and maybe give tips or something along those lines as they carry the key (but let’s be real ain’t nobody talking in a pug group).
But fact of the matter is, no matter what blizzard does, there will always be this divide. There will always be players who will optimize everything they can because either it’s fun or they’re required to and others who will find it boring/not worth it. And there will always be players who set requirements they don’t posses themselves just so they can get carried.
I recently was looking at my behaviours, I queue using a filter that only shows groups with 2 people in, after thinking about my ‘using my own key’ issues I realised I wouldn’t show on my searches so I have changed it I no long filter out single DPS groups and can apply to them. Hopefully my small change can help a bit.
I reckon this would increase your chances to get accepted. In the periods where I lived the pug life I usually applied to those groups unless I was playing a specific class a 4/5 group needed and found myself getting accepted way more often.
Game is just better if you have a community and filter out the people you play with. There’s too much toxicity from randoms, I always rejoice when I find a rare gem in a pug and recruit them. That said I’m not opposed to solo Q, lfg is super dated and it’s not only the lack of solo queue actually.
Been there, done that, works fine. The friend network I built on my main are happy to play with my alts too - they bring theirs. I rarely use the LFD tool anymore, don’t need it.
Whatever toon I play, I don’t need to care about gear, or rio score, or anything like that. I ask my friends (game friends, not IRL friends, none of my IRL friends play WoW at the moment), we figure out what we need, what we can do, and we go and have a blast.
'tis great, and all it needs is for you to start building a network of friends. I did so at the start of SL, and it’s wonderful.
There are plenty of options, you just have to lift up your behind and not sit in Oribos lamenting the sad state of the world. If you focus on figuring out how to get things done rather than sulking in a corner, a whole lot of doors open up.
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