Could I actually play the game not wait in Oribos in finder or queue

Eh, I dunno… sometimes I just want a simple low key on an alt and whatever role that alt is in, I’d consider an auto queue.

Not likely for anything over like an 8, but if 1-8 became much faster to pug, that would still be a good thing :slight_smile:

Make your own groups and lead the way… you area a champion of Azeroth afterall.

Still thinking about that time in BfA my Shrine of the Storm key was actually no-joke physically impossible to complete because I took 3 demo locks, none of which were able to interrupt anything. We also didn’t have any hard cc to cut packs into smaller chunks to make them more manageable.

This being a very real (and common) occurrence would make me never use a random matchmaking system for harder, uncarryable content like M+ where mistakes actually matter. Not to mention any player worth their salt will over time find guildies and friends that they mesh well with. So… none of the good dps/tanks/healers would need to use a random matching system. This would leave the entire queue full of parties like: triple demo lock, mistweaver monk that’s first-time healing for faster queues in a +10, and a guardian druid that doesn’t know what Ironfur is.
Random queue would quickly turn into a “prison island” of sorts, for off-meta specs, toxic people and players who are new/practising. If you didn’t allow people to make premade parties (by say, removing group finder), they would just make full premades before joining the “random matchmaking” and use it more as a free teleport to the dungeon than anything. :s

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its not hard to find a guild, but it doesnt mean i want to, any decent guild wants activity etc. and i have enough with one job, i tend to go play other games for a month or so, i dont want wow to become a second job. I want to play with IRL friends when they are on and just queues when they arent, sadly i dont seem to get either as i couldnt even try out my new 220ilvl weapon as 208 ilvl fury warr with decent rio on main doesnt seem to be enough to do m+6~10 nowdays, when i tanked them below ilvl200. existing system is probably the most toxic and frustrating way to do group content ive seen in 20+ years of gaming

i doubt im the only one who wants harder content, or any as today proves, but doesnt have time to be in more serious pvp/pve guild

You don’t need to be. If you build a network of friends, you can run keys with them. No guild, no schedule, no fixed team, just a large list of people to prod for key runs.

Works wonderfully.

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Real question… and I am being serious. How does one go about doing this? I’ve never made or received a friend request in my 4 and a half years of playing WoW. Every community I’ve joined have been pseudo guilds with the same people running together in teams and new people forced to low runs to help lesser geared players or just leave

Again people talk about things socially that I just don’t recognise (though this is my life IRL so the issues is likely me, I don’t doubt that.

You would have thought I’d had one or two (even mis thought out) requests by now though

I tried pugging once… the horrors still haunt me. Big no no to any solo que systems. Anyone remember what happened when Blizzard implemented LFD? And now people actually want more of these systems? Oh the humanity.

I feel you :frowning:

It’s actually considerably easier than one might think! You start with continuing your regular pugging, but after any good run, you ask if you can add them to your friend list. If they don’t say no, you add them. Next time you want to do a key, you start asking people from your list if they want to come. Or if they can bring friends. If they bring friends, and you have another good run, add them too.

There will be times when someone says no, or doesn’t accept the friend request, or you never run keys together again. But the more people you add, the more people you can poke later, and the higher chance you get a full team, and the higher chance they’ll have friends of their own to bring, too.

Communities can be of help, but as you said, a lot of them have developed teams already. Still worth joining some, it’s another pool to pick people from, but personal experience with people is often better, in my opinion, thus, friend list.

Anyway, the key is that you need to take matters in your hands. You add people to your friend list, you ask them if they want to do keys together, you take initiative. Despite WoW being an MMO, and despite running with wow-friends being such a huge QoL improvement, people are still reluctant to do that, so we have to take matters in our hands.

For context, I’ve been playing for a good few years (vanilla->wotlk, then break, and bfa onwards). During that time, I have received a friend request maybe 2-3 times before I started building my own network at the start of Shadowlands. By now, I usually receive one or two every week, and I add more. The key is to be adamant on adding people, and then asking them later, so they don’t just linger on your list uselessly.

Hope that helps!

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I think there is merit to adding a tool to allow new players to join a M+0 scenario this would allow those players to get a feel of the dungeons and the mechanics and may even help alleviate the situation we are in now where these same new players are joining say a +5 have no idea about the mechanics and then the group disintegrates. For the veterans this tool can be used to test out their alts and experimental builds.

Just a thought.

Yeah I don’t really mind LFD for normal, heroics and even m0. Any irrelevant content basically.

Thank you for taking the time to write that reply. Strange as it sounds I knew the answer (i’m in my 40’s) but have never been able to make that human connection IRL or virtually. I’d rather stand up in front of 300 people than whisper one person in WoW.

Humans are complex and flawed things. It sounds so easy ’ just ask them, doh’ but it is honestly terrifying.

Maybe one day I’ll overcome these terrors that just seem silly to others.

To be fair, it could be done way better. Imagine for rbg it would use your rating, or your mmr. Once you play past the first few games, you’d be matched with people who have +/- 100 rating from you, so around your own level, not from all over the place. I don’t think it would work for arena though, because it’s way too comp dependent, but for RBG it could work decently.

Do your RAID / weekly m+ 4 or 10 dungeons and pvp if you are pvper
and you can LOG off becuase there is nothing more to do :smiley:

And this was done by blizzard removing AP/TF/WF etc
no im not saying that it was good having AP TF and WF in game
but you can see what is happening when you dont have those things in game
people just do their weekly stuff in 1 day and log off
there is no point to play WORLD
Changing old loot system was bad idea
chaging WQ to be longer was bad idea
and we can keep going and going

by having a lot of time to spend in game and runing content repeatidly with the same group of people.

all of you have to invest your time and dedication

for me , for years now the most important aspect in raiding was social aspect - having fun with other people while playing game - it was never about how high i can push . if i dont have fun time with others while i do raid i just cba - thats why i skipped Legion/BfA raiding completly .

problem is majority of people playing wow is now 30+ and simply dont have time for such commitments. neither to commit X nights each week for raiding.

im sure there are people still willing to do that. i guess im just grumpy and old because i dont have that time and very often even will to play this game for longer periods of time when i come back tired after work .

rather go to swimming pool/gym then do the same instance for N time on dififculty X , then difficulty X+1 … all the way to X+N. and effectively for what ? gear that will reset completly in 3 moths anyway when tier is over ? what this extra 2-3 itlv on my gear will do when i do not plan to raid mythic / push high m+ keys. +12 when im now with my DH and hunter is more then i will ever need in this game while being very challenging content.

solo que combined with decent HIDDEN ! mmr system would fix a lot of problems this game is facing imo.

I know the feeling. I’ll be dinging 40 in a few months, human connections IRL is something I heard tales about. I can stand up and do a talk in front of a lot of people, but hallway talk? Nah, will nope out of that.

If it helps, pretend people are very advanced AIs, and you’re merely steering them with the whispers. =)

And oh boy, that’s a lovely thing. It’s great you don’t have to be in-game 24/7. It’s a good thing you can just log for the content you want to do, and do something else with the time you just free’d up.

You actually got a point there mate :smiley: try to use your key and get YOUR 226 ilvl in the group to boost your key :stuck_out_tongue: even better than run with noobs.

Of course it’s great but people started complaing about don’t know what to do in this game
im bored im standing and afking in oribos :smiley:
I don’t understand
They have now what they wanted since legion
RAID LOG expansion :smiley:
and they are not HAPPY :smiley:

how about catering content to people who do want to play WoW instead of people like you who are much happier when not playing it ?

nah that would be crazy you are right

People are silly at times. :]