Could him throwing Arthas into the Maw cause directly the system of Shadowlands to stop working?
Maybe, or Genn or Argus who knows. Was the shadowlands working in the first place anyway?. There are relics in the maw not native to the shadowlands.
I thought the cinematic made it pretty clear the Shadowlands were still working by the time Arthas died.
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I see it as Devos pointing out a problem, i.e. Arthas having this weapon, and the rest of them telling her to shut up and fall in line, because everything works perfectly damn it!
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The titans broke the Shadowlands by creating the arbiter in the first place. Sylvanas is right to want to tear everything down.
I mean in the sense that the arbiter might not be natural in the first place. The jailer has a hole in his chest, the arbiter has a floating orb around it’s chest.
Beta text says the jailer wants to reclaim what’s his etc etc.
Also the relics of the first ones in the maw have the same design as the arbiter.
Yeah, exactly. That means the sorting system (Arbiter) must have stopped working the second Uther threw Arthas into the Maw, or anytime between that moment up until BfA.
My point was I think the rest of them were blind, because they just assumed everything was perfect…
They assumed that the Maw was inescapable, but apparently the Jailer could influence things outside of it, so it wasn’t as perfect as they thought.
Well, Uther got to Bastion, that means it must have worked at least by the time he died, right?
Yes, but the way I see it the Jailer hadn’t started funneling all the souls to the Maw by the time of Uther’s death.
That happened sometime after Sylvanas died and became the Banshee Queen. Maybe she even helped him make it so.
But he was able to influence things outside of the Maw, as Devos pointed out because she saw the runes on Frostmourne. Presumably revealing that the thing was crafted at the Forge of Domination, within Torghast, which is in the Maw.
Which proved that something or someone exited the Maw.
Yeh worked in the new way it was set up.
But what I’m trying to say is thatspoilers in the intro quest you find a relic in the maw, Anduin says it looks similar to the titans but different. Jailer calls it the first ones.
What if the jailer was originally the ruler, he got out of hand and the first ones stepped in, stripped him of his power and then put a robotic sorting hat, being the arbiter in his place.
I think that’s definitely possible.
Okay, so the Lich King’s armor and Frostmourne were crafted in Torghast and smuggled out of the Maw.
Was it the Jailor’s job and did he do it specifically to give them to the Lich King?
Or is there a possibility that they were stolen by the dreadlords?
So you’re saying that Uther throwing Arthas into the Maw didn’t break the Arbiter and it was actually probably the Jailor himself (maybe with the help of Sylvanas) who did it, sometime off screen?
Doesn’t matter who made the armor or smuggled it out… No matter who did it, it proves that Torghast wasn’t “inescapable”.
Which seemed to be Devos’ point.
And yes, I don’t think Uther dumping one guy into the Maw broke the system no, probably not a popular choice to circumvent the Arbiter but I don’t think that is what broke it.
I think the Jailer with the aid of Sylvanas did something to funnel souls into the Shadowlands.
I don’t think souls have been going exclusively to the Shadowlands for as long as the end of Wrath of the Lich King.
If that was the case I think the Jailer would be mighty enough already.
Sylvanas seemed to have a goal to kill as many as possible in this war to make him (and in turn herself) stronger.
But of course, this is just my opinion. I could be mistaken.
Ysera destroys your logic. She is in Night Bae land.
Legion was much later than ICC raid
Yeah, I might be mistaken, but I actually don’t remember Sylvanas doing anything to cause more deaths during her time as a warchief in Legion. So is it possible then that her and Jailor’s plan started sometime between Legion and BfA?
Dunno. I could speculate it started when Valkyries who look like mawsworn babes came to Sylvanas after her suicide at the ICC
But she was only able to do more harm after she saw azurite and said
“That changes everything”
and Trolls are safe with Bwonsamdi.
Elune took Ysera to Ardenweald and she’s powerful enough to do so.
Then it’s them who broke it, no?
But seriously in last novel Bromsandi was surprised by the fact what happened to Zappiboy and asked to describe what he saw. Meaning he wasnt aware, it all started during BfA.
Neither Uther or Elune or Bro broke SL
Also my warrior was taken by Odin! Did he broke SL too?
Arbiter is so beta, everyone passes it
Yeah, that could indicate that she thought to herself that she finally got the means to kill everybody.
But it also takes place after Legion. And like I said, she definitely didn’t seem to want everyone dead before that. (At least to me).
So maybe it is like you say - that when she found out about Azerite, she already plotted to kill everyone, but maybe she only made the deal with the Jailer in near past, not further than somewhere between Legion.
She made a deal with Helya during legion, it could also help her deal with Mawsworn valkyries.
We don’t know yet exact time and place. But I think at the point of her suicide only jailer could release her from the maw where she went, and she saw lil Arthas there ( which confirms it was the maw )