Whats the point of having some bosses so overtuned in current raid. I mean at this point everyone in raid group is over 270ish ilvl, 4 tier pcs. Up to Anduin if fairly ez.
Anduin fight is quite fun one - challenging but still real fun and doable.
Lords - this is just nightmare - 10 minute fight and really difficult, with so much stuff on the ground, two bosses with frontals, extreme raid dmg during swarm - this one is actually making people stop raiding.
Rygelon - signle mistake = raid wiped.
We’re talking heroic difficulty here - done by a group who got AOTC for last couple of years of raiding toghether.
We’ve seen WF going to hell because of being so overtuned , we see top guild disbanding and quitting raiding all together because of this tier design and yet this is being ignored all together.
We just trying to push people out of the game now - planning theyll all come back for dragons or what is the strategy here?
Can we finally stop making threads about the raid bieing overtuned when it is littarly nerfed last patch? My group is a new HC raid and we are littarly steamrolling this thing because now its undertuned and we are overgeared…
WoW’s version of first world problems.
It can easily be fixed with a visit to the green gear vendor in Haven.
Some of the fights in heroic are real cluster and I really feel sorry for anyone healing for these.
HC is definitely not overtuned but lords is definetly overloaded.
Aduin on hc you dont even make it to p2 cause hes on 10% before you even get into the second intermission.
lords is literally 100 pools of garbage on the ground, you cleanse 5 pools of green garbage and theres another 100 pools of green garbage.
thats not fun.
It was only last night we were laughing at the latest round of nerfs.
I’m not sure about HC being more difficult than previous tiers. There’s certainly a lot of stuff on the ground on certain bosses, and overlapping mechanics, but I remember HC Council, Minerva and Denathrius being similarly challenging at first. Bosses that took us a lot of wipes to master the mechanics early on are now easy one-shots.
yes it is just…bloat. Like overseasoning an otherwise fine dish to the point that the tongue is so busy handling all the seasoning flavors that cannot perceive the actual food properly
That is because you suck at moving out of the green slimes after cleansing.
This is also true. I don’t know what the poster’s raiding arrangement is, but I think this is a problem that affects pug groups much more than it does co-ordinated groups using voice comms. Our LoD fights are punctuated by calls like:
- green coming towards melee
- LOTS of green coming towards melee
- purple in melee
- someone take that green out of melee
That makes a huge difference to how easy the boss is.
Don’t feel like dread was so bad, we had 12 wipes on it before we got the kill at least.
I tend to compare Dread with Rygelon, seeing as you can choose which to do first after Anduin. Dread is more difficult when you first encounter it on normal, but nothing much changes on HC aside from needing to co-ordinate CDs for the extra swam damage. Rygelon is just a dps race on normal, but a massive headache when you go from normal to HC.
Rygelon is very much personal responsibility… which is why most pugs would fail at it. It’s not hard as such. Was the boss we had the most difficulty with tbh. For some reason you just always have those 7-10 people that just can’t remember what to do with a mechanic, or are just tunneling dps…
And as you said, dread was just like normal… ranged just had to bait the pools… hardly rocket science.
I’ve found the raid really fun so far tbh… you can definitely tell it’s some weird amalgamation of 2 raids. The best part ofc our raid leader asking with hope in his voice every raid if we’d watched the videos for the boss this time, and the whole raid just going nah… it’s only HC… we’ll wing it.
He is so crushed, every single time… it brings a smile to my face…
Top guilds doesn’t disband of heroic difficulty
2% have cleared heroic Sepulcher. In the last patch of BFA 33% got AOTC. This patch might end up having the lowest raid participation of all time.
While i agree SL had terrible tuned raids (so much i have quit raiding) you can not compare a 2.5 month (we are now 10 weeks into the season) season with a 10 months season which was also the last season of the expansion where we got unlimited power by corruptions.
also have to rember that m+ is more lucrative to do also, and even more now when the valor cap is lifted, meening you can farm valor and uppgrade any item to high level, and getting higher ilvl than you can from heroic raiding, what most likely will drop the raiding participation even more.
What are people trying to achieve with all this high ilvl gear, then? Are we treating WoW like a job now, something we do just to acquire the highest ilvl gear (equivalent to the biggest bank balance) we possibly can? What happened to playing to have fun and doing the kind of content we enjoy doing?
Or is it that you can’t understand that people actually do M+ because they enjoy it so you have to imagine it’s all about gear?
The patch isn’t done yet. It’s still about 4 months too go… My guild soon too get curve 
I have asked myself this for ages… those people who only play for the rewards confuse me so much.
Ah well, I’ll have fun tonight either way when I sit on disc with a bunch of people spamming M+ 
Dude , horde IS COMPLETELY DEAD for organized groups for Anduin > Jailer.
You will be lucky to find literally 1 dozen HC Jailer groups in the space of a week, the rest is 40 Boosting sellers spamming .
NO ONE is raiding this tier. You have about 30 or so guilds progressing mythic and the rest have checked out altogether.strong text
As a risk/time/reward thing, raiding is in a bad place, even though the raid is good in terms of the content. But heroic seems harder than mythic from previous tiers and there just doesn’t seem to be a lot of point in doing it if you want to be efficient. I used to be a mythic raider and the latter heroic bosses are proving to be a pain in the backside enough. What is going on with this raid?