Does anyone else think that it will be the same at level 80 and that we are going to see another season in which one spec is going to gatekeep everybody else, just like DHs did in DF?
Current ret has twice the damage of every other spec.
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Id say mage is way more disruptive along with assasin rogues, dhs and warlocks
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Tbh I feel like ret as always been like this, by design it’s always insanely strong and able to global people if you don’t pay attention often.
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They just have too get rid of that Rets can burst with Bubble
They can give them a -50% damage debuff with bibble let us purge bubble, but it cannot stay as it is
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It’s worse than ever though. I’ve a ret with 4 PvP arena pieces, and I did 80m damage on it in a single BG.
Am I skilled? Nah, this spec is way overtuned.
Bubble needs to be removed from the game tbh. “Iconic ability”, sure, but so was hemorrhage for rogues, once. It still got removed.
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Don’t think it should be removed but I do think they should bring back some of the tradeoffs to it.
A lot of classes got no answer to bubble other than stand there and take the beating.
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Considering beta in its current state, ret is not the spec you should be worrying about
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Ret in most rated games will be a menace, its just sadly one of those things. Low skill ceiling, low border to entry too. It will do good in semi capable hands cause it has no off button, its one of those specs who can disregard disarm too.
laughs in 10.0.7 retpocalypse
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not true, Affli, Dk, Feral is more dangerous than a ret at level 70
no.
Best tradeoff ever was no burst during bubble. So they have to be more careful when to burst an how far they are going.
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How’d you know?
played some j4f arena in Prepatch and ret did at 2.5 mmr less dmg than a feral, or affli lock
i mean if u talk about duels for sure, ret can be a unstoppable godmode spec
but in solo shuffle or bg duo que, arena affli, dk, feral was more of a problem
and i only phased these specs, and maybe 1 ret, and ret felt completely easy to beat compared to the other classes
Affli,dk, feral are so op currently, it makes the ret pala “balanced” (even when this class is op, but not as op as the other ones"
The 3 specs you listed might be op because number tuning.
Paladin is going to be op because of mechanics such as ranged and bubble. Which is harder for Blizz to fix in pvp. That is, if they cared to.
Unfortunately.
Probably.
Red really does seem like it’s back to retarded WotlK days sometimes.
Funny nobody talks about Preservation Evoker in these list. I just watched few videos of beta arena, i’m worried 
thats for sure a balancing issue, i still dont understand, why Rogue and Feral lost the Increased meele range Talent, while Ret can keep the toolkit
about the Bubble, just add the Debuff back, that u do 50% less dmg in bubble an call it a day
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So you are saying they should have removed the rework?
You are aware that they also removed the increased melee range talent even for rets?
make ret a meele again.
in the worst case give him better mobility, make freedom not purgeable, but ret beeing a range meele is just toxic game designe
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Theres quite alot of things in this game which is toxic game design.
While I agree they could have done it better with Ret, but if we are going with the route of toxic design, we could also start arguing about ferals ability to shapeshift out of root/slows for example. Nelf melding for certain specs.
How much are we going to nerf based on ppls idea of toxic design?