My favourite Scene about Baine that got Axed because of her. Baine throwing open the Great Gate of Mulgore, stomping out, glaring at the Alliance forces and calling them out “It Took a Coward with a Traitor’s Posion to kill my Father What chance do you think -you- have against ME!”
What a moment…all of these moments lost, like tears…in the rain…
It was a massive letdown, the start of a series, for me atleast, that’s for sure!
Guess, I’m not alone then 
But I do wonder, seeing as how she was just a contracted writer at the time, I think - Did Baine get cut out because of her, or is this just the way Blizzard intended the character to be?
I can’t for the life of me imagine why, but that’s just me.
What happens when Alliance writers, write Horde characters.
The result: Baine.
I mean, Thalyssra may have been born a Highborne Night Elf, but she’s been more Horde throughout BFA than Baine has for the past 9 years.
Apparently it was supposed to be during Legion, and he also was supposed to be in Highmountain, doing stuff and giving quests, but it was unseemly for Alliance players to be taking orders from a Horde racial Leader Coughs Val’sharah says Hi! Coughs
I heard “Well it’s a night elf expansion, so…”
You probably don’t need to guess, who said that.
Also why has my Gorram avatar not altered yet! Eeesh!
try logging out and back in.
Depends what you mean by “more horde”. If being horde is showing up whenever someone needs you to throw stones at team blue, sure she has. if you mean attending to the welfare of the horde in terms of what it stands for or is supposed to stand for, less so.
I mean, I know Baine isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but the idea he’s not “proper” horde because he’s not happy to play nodding dog whenever someone says “smash alliance” is not fair. The tauren have always been a nature loving people and a people who hold deep consciences about stuff like treatment of the dead. The idea he’s not horde because he refuses to support warchief practices that violate these things is taking a very very literal view of things as “horde is whatever the warchief says is horde” which means the forsaken were most horde of all.
It’s not that simple. I’d accuse Thalyssra of being a bit naive and wide eyed since joining, seemingly throwing herself into the fray not giving much thought beyond that. For someone who staged a coup to get rid of one dictator, you’d think she’d be a bit more reluctant to become one of Sylvanas’ nodding dogs, but there she was towing the line like the rest of them up until Baine and Saurfang were seriously in trouble.
Saurfang and Baine are the kind of individuals I’d want upholding the horde were I Thrall who set it up. At least they understand the spirit of what it’s supposed to be about.
The problem with Baine and incidentally with the majority of non human races in the Alliance is that they will submit to the Human Potential all the time. Honestly it didn’t come as a surprise to me to see Baine hiding behind Anduin’s skirt. Golden has been courting him for a while back when Garrosh was still around. I actually liked Baine before Golden hijacked the character and turned him into Anduin’s biggest fan pretty much the same way she did it to Saurfang.
The concerns here are not that the Horde is becoming good or something, or at least not all concerns are. The people are worried they’ll become a red Alliance whose sole existential purpose is to make Anduin and Jaina look good.
The Alliance is just a group of racist bastards.
Or at least they were until Blizz decided to whitewash the hell out of them, turning them from the faction that literally desecrated Tauren burial sites to the “goodie-two shoes who’d never hurt a soul” faction
Thalyssra for Warchief, the Nightborne and Sin’dorei really are the only races that can be trusted to lead
Need I say more?
Seems to be a reoccurring theme with Velharia.
bruh you do realise the Alliance has done actual colonialism right? Like, desecrating holy sites, murdering native tribes just to settle their land, etc.
My tongue and cheek comment doesn’t change that, blizzard completely removed any moral compromise in the Alliance by whitewashing their concentration camps, their racism, their colonialism, and replaced their moral greyness with Tyrande being upset
Yes, however, the nature loving aspect is pushed to far these days, in my opinion, the original Tauren were rugged nomadic survivors that endured in a hostile environment, being almost wiped out by the Centaur- why would they suddenly try to be everyone’s buddy? If anything you’d think they’d be atleast upset over a village or two being razed to the ground and people killed.
Note that Baine also didn’t act or speak out when his dead people were being mutilated in the aftermath of Taurajo or when Queen Sylvi raised the dead at the gates of the Undercity, not a word even…
I mean sure, he has some endearing moments, even I found so, but overall…no, I wouldn’t want someone like that as my leader, and I can’t find much likeable in the way he’s written.
I feel like people do overestimate how much the Tauren love nature.
Like they’re not Night Elves who’ll kill you for touching their favourite tree. They do revere it, but not in a fanatical way like the Night Elves do.
Don’t touch the Nightborne tree, zombie elf.
Nightborne fanatical side could spring up at any moment if we’re displeased. 
Agreed, I don’t actually mind the whole balance aspect, of taking and giving back etc I think that’s fitting - But yes, they are (being) turned into tree hugging hippies, just like the Night Elves before Teldrassil
Honestly the fact that Tauren are more “materialist” I suppose with nature than Night Elves is what I really like about them. They respect nature, and they take what they need, but they don’t abuse or disrespect it.
It’s a really random comparison but it’s like the character Charles in Red Dead Redemption 2. He’s half-native american, and his attitude to nature is exactly how the Tauren should be. He hunts, he chops down trees, he takes what he and his friends all need to survive, but he doesn’t take too much, and when he sees someone over-hunting, or just hunting and destroying nature for the heck of it, he is ruthless against them.
That’s how I like to imagine the Tauren’s attitude to nature, they’re happy to take from it, however they do so in great respect, and don’t accept anyone abusing nature needlessly.
I get your points and I agree, I just think it’s being pushed to far- however admittedly, most Tauren lore is either Baine…or tied to the Cenarion Circle, so that kind of muddies the picture for me, I suppose.