I honestly believe that WoW barely works when it’s not set on Azeroth for at least part/the majority of the expansion. An off world expansion just feels disconnected from what is the core of WoW.
Yeah, there was room for improvement in Legion, but I consider it the best expansion I have actively played (haven’t touched Dragonflight so far).
Fair point: Legion is possibly my favorite expansion too, so I can’t complain about it much.
legit question but has ysera even done anything since she came back. has she actually done anything that made the sacrifice of malfurion even a teeeensy bit nessecary. “But shes needed to pass the torch to Merithra” were malygos and neltharion needed to pass it to kalecgos and ebyssian?
were at a point, storywise, as dire as the stakes faced at Hyjal against the Legion for the night elves and the one person, one druid who could whip nature into that “i didnt hear no bell” frenzy is taking a dirt nap on a road in the middle of the azure dream.
somehow illidan and his suffering from success is looking mild by comparrison thesedays.
you’re asking the wrong person sis, I haven’t paid attention to the story since roughly the very moment she came back to azeroth
no, she has not lol
(this is also why im asking, i tuned out on the renown-gated stories.)
i truly hope xavius is laughing in whatever black hellpit he ended up in on trolling of this level
She relinquished her role as leader of the green flight, basically going “nah I am retiring b1tch! You, my daughter, will be a better Aspect than me”
Merithra goes all “I am not worthy!”
And Ysera is all like “Yes you are, because I believe in you”
And then Merithra takes a huge starved-puppy stare at Ysera and goes “Yes… I will do it! For you and all the green dragons!”
And then Ysera also takes up a starved-puppy stare and tells her she’s so proud of her.
I may have paraphrased or something but that’s it
I am aware of that, but I imagine you’re also aware that they’re even more core to the Draenei story, and are literally the defining factor of the Draenei’s story as a race. So the fact the ratio of elf to draenei focus in Legion being like 80 > 20 percent still kinda shows that they were forgotten in lieu of the more popular elves.
Nelves - Core to WC3
Azshara and the entire Empire falling due to Legion
Sundering
Satyrs as a result of demonic influence
They both have equal claim tbqh, and the Draenei were retconned from the Broken from WC3 in the first place, so its potatoe po-tato at this point?
Night Elves as they currently exist only do so solely due to the Burning Legion.
But aside from that; most, if not all, races in Warcraft where shafted in their revenge against the Burning Legion.
Orcs, Humans, Night Elves, High & Blood Elves, the Forsaken, Nightborne and probably many many more races were shafted from their proper revenge against the Burning Legion. So its not just the Draenei.
If anything, atleast the Draenei had a giant pressence on Argus(as should be), but their main characters got shafted in favor of a Night Elf who hadn’t been aligned with them since War3 and 3 former Alliance heroes who hadn’t been Alliance-aligned since War2!
Point isn’t z characters hogging the spotlight, its Blizzards inability to write it properly so that everyone could get a piece of their cake, with the possibility of the Draenei taking the last bite to finish it off🤔
You’ve put it more eloquently than expected 
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Moreover let’s not forget it was under the pretense that “Oh no, the threads of fate I just made up decided that it wasn’t Ysera’s time to die but mine so we’re gonna do a switcheroo because It-Can-Only-Be-Me and not the Dragon father here who desires to rest for eternity with his son! A’right? A’rite.”
God just remember this scene peeves me the hell out as this logic is so thin it’s seethrough.
^ This ^
Bad Writing is the enemy of all, end of.
Edit: The whole ‘demons don’t ever die really lol’ was also such a good point for so many arcs to wrap up? Especially if Argus counted as ‘In the Twisting Nether’ so they could actually permadeath them?
Mannoroth - probably the awkward one, due to re-using him in Hellfire Citadel, putting the final smackdown on the Pit Lords would have been great for the Orcs.
Mal’ganis - Hello, loser, remember a little place called Lordaeron? Yeah, well most of the inhabitants are dead and they still want a word with you. Can we introduce you to our lord and saviour Blight Canisters?
Xavius/ ? - Admittedly we got to pummel him a bit earlier, but him or one of the other big names from the Sundering would have been fine for the Night Elves to wail on.
Kil’jaeden - Draenei and Blood Elves both have good reason to want to turn this guy into soup, so could have been a nice cap-stone to the arcs started in TBC for them both?
Balnazzar - This guy is the root cause of the Scarlet Crusades continued shenanigans, I think the Humans especially have good reason to want to hand this guy his rear end on a plate.
But, ultimately, Blizz’s lack of depth strikes once again, so round and round the arguments go.
What, if not the Legion, would you say is the defining story of the night elves up until BfA?
Agreed. The Draenei could have had more, but what they really need is a new story.
Now wait just for a second, Darnassus as a city was definitely one of the better cities. The only ones who come close or are slightly better are Ironforge and Thunder Bluff.
I also think a problem with the draenei is that they never managed to get the same level of “racial” identity that could be compared to that of the night elves, or any other race.
It’s easier to make a cool night elf story than a draenei one imho.
Still, perhaps they could have given more space to someone like Rakeesh.
Very much this. The night elves in Legion were perfect - few could deny that Suramar was one of the highlights of the expansion, something that was loved by both NE and BE fans, as much as NE fans can love new lore (because they will complain ofc)
One of my main issues when it comes to the night elf complaints is the disappointment that is shown whenever the night elves get their “wins but with a catch.” It makes it seem like that they had unrealistic expectations, considering that this is a game with an audience that is much larger than just night elf fans.
Well yes, Darkshore is still damaged despite the fact that the Kaldorei reclaimed it when they won.
Should Blizzard have spent resources creating yet another new version of the zone that is irrelevant to current content (since night elves fans would have complained if there was a new conflict there because can’t night elves catch a break?), when there is already a perfectly serviceable Cataclysm version of Darkshore that people can go back to if they don’t want to deal with a damaged landscape?
Well yes, Tyrande wasn’t able to kill Sylvanas and get her revenge entirely on her own.
Should Blizzard have killed off one of the most popular characters of the franchise so unceremoniously and completely derailed the story that they had lined up for that character (without any emotions attached to her death other than a triumphant sense of justice, since we already know that night elf fans didn’t like the catch of Tyrande being remorseful and choosing renewal), just so that night elf fans could feel a sense of karma?
Well yes, Amirdrassil isn’t going to be a brand new racial capital for the night elves without any catch.
Should Blizzard really have devoted resources to turning this world tree into a new racial capital for night elves that is faction-restricted (since night elf fans would complain if the new night elf capital allowed horde inside whatsoever) and is irrelevant to current content (since night elves fans would have complained if there was a new conflict there because can’t night elves catch a break?), especially when other races have never gotten such treatment in the past? Even then, there would have been complaints that this is a slap in a face because it’s on the Dragon Isles and not Kalimdor.
And in case people want to point at the City of Lordaeron as an example of another race getting a capital city back, that’s a mostly Vanilla skeleton with a dozen Wrath of the Lich King assets scattered across it, and it’s barely the size of a Stormwind City district.
I agree that the night elves deserve a capital of some sort, but if that capital was lazily slapped together as the City of Lordaeron is, night elf fans would probably compare it to being spat in the face.
To put it simply, I just can’t imagine a scenario that would satisfy a vocal minority of night elf fans, that wouldn’t involve Blizzard devoting a silly amount of effort, energy and resources to appeasing them, likely at the expense of the rest of the game.
Don’t need a new zone.
They say things are X or Y without showing them all the time, so saying it isn’t blighted would have been perfectly fine without a zone overhaul.
Sorry it’s just my opinion.
The whole discovery of the Night Elf starting zone be an entire tree was wicked af, but I always thought the city itself was kinda meh compared to other cities.
The entrance gate is cool though.
Yeah, I feel like it’d have been way better if they just stated that vs ‘everything is ruined and the entire region is dead. not even birds are alive anymore. trees? dead. plants? dead. animals? dead. everything is dead. u won tho i guess lol’ - it’s already kept as a brief mentioning in an out of game book, could’ve simply not done that and I think nobody’d be too disappointed with it
I think it’s the reoccuring theme with the narrative beats for Night Elves that people are generally displeased about - there’s something they do, or something that’s built up, but it always ends up going with some ‘hehe actually…’ that ends up being a massive downer; see also all the build up in the first part of Shadowlands regarding Tyrande’s story, only for it to then kind of fall flat and shift focus entirely off of her and into Exciting Cosmic Lore™ - there’s the build up of something cool happening maybe, and then it’s… that
Instead they stated that the Circle of Ancients is neutral and the only liveable part of Darkshore left, aside from the Horde Troll vale, ofcourse.
Basicly, Darkshore was won by the Night Elves but it ended up being a Horde zone eitherway, since they are the only faction with a village in the zone, we keep taking L’s😩
Aside from that, I will fervently stand on the hill that Mt. Hyjal should’ve been the new Night Elf capital instead of Amirdrassil.
On the case of Lordaeron city, and perhaps the future Night Elven capital, I do not mind if they are small, perhaps even smaller then Nighthold, aslong as they are functional and capture the essence of the race in question! I would love Lordaeron City to be a function capital for the Forsaken as much as I love the Nighthold as a functional city for the Nightborne, aslong as they add proper vendors, trainers etc!