Dear Night Elf players

Calia is a fantastic point.

“But it’s Forsaken focus!”

Yes, and it’s terrible. Everyone knows its terrible. Because it’s Badly Written.

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It’s uninteresting.
Lillian Voss is terrible.

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Not much to argue about really, especially since you’ve not actually said what part of the Night Elf story content (which as I’ve said has been pretty consistent over the last three expacs) is so egregious and full of bad writing and retcons.

Personally my peeve is that Tyrande didn’t actually choose between vengeance and renewal, Elune kinda did it for her, but generally the ending was fine and dandy.

But like I said - most of their content? It’s fine.

They got less content in 8.0 than I’d have liked, 8.1 was fine, although it was specifically a side-thing compared to the core story of Dazar’Alor, but after that they dropped off and got nothing in 8.2/8.3. Sylvanas’ involvement/screentime was way more limited than you might have thought, which was a real disappointment, since they were still mystery-boxing her plans.

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Sounds to me like you´re complaining because the entire game didn´t focus on Forsaken after they were the main Horde focus in Legion, Before the Storm, BfA pre-patch and 8.1, while their leader was the Warchief.

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I’m glad book content is included so we can agree that Night Elves are not “homeless” after all.

I think the Forsaken content amount is fine, though they’re still lesser than the Night Elves - in game, especially. Which I don’t think is a problem in and of itself, I was just mentioning it in response to the complaint about Night Elf “dripfeed”.

They definitely weren’t the main Horde focus in Legion though - they got like 1/3rd of one zone in Stormheim, and that was it. Sylvanas screaming about Warden Towers doesn’t count as “content” no matter how memeable it is.

They didn’t show up in any other zone or have any other involvement in the future patches of the expansion. Part of that was probably due to the generally Alliance-focused back-end to the expansion, with Tomb of Sargeras and Argus being obviously quite Alliance focused.

7.1 ended up being Horde-y due to where Suramar ended up going, though we didn’t know that at the time, and as noted the nature of the content with the Nightborne is still pretty core to Night Elves as well.

It’s probably a combination of things but corporate has nothing to do with merit and meritocracy is at best a misplaced aspiration while at worst a malicious fabrication that actively punishes those not favoured by the inner workings of the machine, making everything in a broken system a personal failure.

That said, there isn’t a single room akin to the vaunted Dojo where the Loremaster hands down wisdom to be applied. You’ll have people who no doubt mean well and love their craft pouring every effort into making, say, the Ysera cinematic. It’s just that they’re handed the worst tripe to work with as decided by committee.

Corporate says we’re not updating the old world this expansion, so the new tree ends up in dragonland. It’s your job to write the night elves not being upset about that but deadlines won’t let you write an intricate political situation plus the average WoW user finds that boring, skipping walls of text. Also, we need to even scores because the (horde majority) playerbase thinks malfurion is kinda cringe as the kids say after that whole val’sharah thing where he whined so he has to go, somehow with caveats to bring him back later.

Everything needs to be snappy, efficient but with a nice squeecore moment at the peak (done in three months, chop chop) so there you are effectively asked to bake a cake but all you’ve been given is a bag of rice, some turkish yoghurt and white bread (it’s efficient) and ketchup for garnish (focus groups say ketchup is the most popular condiment!) and in the end you sit there in the dragonflight in review promo video with a stiff smile sincerely proud of what little you could actually accomplish.

I can’t believe the night elf players are complaining after getting a big cake!

I’ve accurately predicted WoW story beats four times now based on the sheer power of cynicism and predictable awfulness. :muscle:

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i don’t care if they win anything ever again & to me the content is still not good.

if you ignore the fact that Forsakens always win & Night Elves never do, the problems people have with their stories are similar.

the writers are trying to change these races into something they themselves like to write - and that is okay, the writers are in control & can do as they please & if the races being more appealing to the writers means better game then let’s a-go. the problem is they’re boiling out all of the subtle little details & texture that made these races appealing to players. which essentially means they are removing the fun stuff from both factions & making them mary sues.

with the forsaken they are focusing on the noble underdog who everyone hates aspect of the race; the angular perspective on morality that the Forsaken always had which led them to be a bit evil & self-interested at times, and to deal with things in ways that living races would find disgusting, that is being either flanderised into comic relief or removed entirely.

with the Night Elves they are focusing on the noble self-sacrificing defenders of nature aspect of the race, trying to make them the pure and righteous defenders of the world who roll with the punches for the good of Azeroth. they are writing around the self-righteousness & aloofness which led the night elves to spend 10k years living in self-imposed exile as militant survivalists in the woods, and led to them making all kinds of stupid mistakes like freeing Illidan or not joining the Horde. honestly the night elf story feels like it’s being written by a night elf propagandist at times lol

like i said i don’t care who wins, but unless the content is actually dealing with all aspects of the racial culture, and the writers are earning whatever changes they want to make & whatever moments they want the races to have, then the content is bad to me.

The Forsaken lost Darkshore against the Night Elves.

You might enjoy what they’re doing with the Druids of the Flame then, since it has a bit more of a bite to it, at least from what I’ve seen so far.

okay we agree on this one

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A worthless blighted piece of land.

But can it read?:

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yeah but they’ll get it back again next week. i know some NPC announced that the Horde were out of darkshore but he’s obviously misinformed coz if i go there next week it’ll be horde territory & i get pvpflag.

which is another thing about the game’s story; it’s a bit unsatisfying to have random NPCs i don’t care about tell me something cool or significant has happened, rather than being able to play through it myself.

iirc the druids of the flame are tied to fandral & his night elf supremacist isolationist schtick. i have a bad feeling they will use them as an example of night elves who are “bad” because they don’t support tyrande “let’s send the navy away & leave darnassus undefended” whisperwind & her new evolution of focusing on rebuilding on the Dragon Isles.

or maybe i’ll get lucky & they’ll just be a reused asset that’s brought back because they were kinda cool (seriously they’re basically the only enemy faction to spring directly from night elf society) & there will be nothing deeper about it.

Bit rude to call me an ‘it’.

I don’t really know what “you use a farm in Stormwind as your main hub in questing” even means. Are there a whole bunch of quests I’ve missed? I checked wowhead and I can’t see anything that would match that description.

Neither of the current arguing sides are going to agree or come to a conclusion that is satisfying. So please, stop.

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Literally the heritage armor questline.

It’s okay to agree to disagree. X

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I disagree.
But that’s alright. Right?

In fairness to the “Human Farm” debacle, every Alliance heritage questline besides Gnomes has started around the Embassy.
The trouble for Night Elves is that it’s also where the quests end because it’s a bit jarring, and honestly unnecessary as they could have ended the questline in Felwood.

It starts…by the Embassy, where the other heritage quests start?

NElf: https://www.wowhead.com/quest=75890/the-clarion-call#comments
Human: https://www.wowhead.com/quest=75265/an-urgent-matter
Dwarf: https://www.wowhead.com/quest=53838/keep-yer-feet-on-the-ground
Worgen: https://www.wowhead.com/quest=54976/the-shadow-of-gilneas
Gnome: https://www.wowhead.com/quest=54402/shifting-gears

Look at the !'s on the map here. I guess the NElf one is slightly more north - around where the other NElves are - instead of being directly outside it? Is this the grand offense they’ve been delivered?

This thread.

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Pretty much this.