But they are doing something. They have in SL. And they still didn’t have the ability to raise more death knights, but there they were, doing stuff. Maybe there is no need for a story like that. Or rather a plot device.
The dumb option would be that, uh, Unlife finds a way, but that’d be a bit of a cop out. Bolvar still has some power, and there are still remnants of the Scourge about - some may have not simply gone feral.
Even the Forsaken could be seen as examples of Scourge magic still persisting. There must be some power somewhere or else you’d have had a very rude shock when logging in after the World First Jailer kill!
Also, what can be destroyed could probably also be remade. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ebon Blade nicked some fragments of the Helm of Domination and MacGyvered some sort of “consensual recruitment device.”
While we’re at it; there’s also hope for the Forsaken too. Different reasonings for raising the dead.
They way to raise the dead is in game, right now, in Maldraxxus, that’s where the Primus is who can pretty much do anything he wants. The question is - is there really a need for such story? Especially now? Cause I’d say no.
Well i didnt mean right in a way that i demand that,more in that i have a right to WANT that to happen. Which was more a general reply to others in the thread saying stuff like “so many other races are dks already cant you ever be happy hur dur” which like… i like the dragon people,i think its very acceptable that id WANT them to join the ranks of my favorite class.
Well see that kind of argues the point of the forsaken and the dks then? Like… if they arent recruited or raised and dont have any means to be,and we know that by each battle or war and over time theres less and less of them,that kind of makes the whole race and class a bit depressing as a player. Eventually wed have like 10 undead and 5 dks if they could never make more recruits/raise more forsaken. Id like it if they made it so like maybe valkyr that raise undead are still alive,or like maybe darion mograines father gave him a parting gift from maldraxxus and the primus that would allow them to raise dks again,and he kept it secret,unsure if he should raise more after shadowlands and all that.
Well, you see, that both DKs and Forsaken are really hard to kill. So no, you won’t run out of each any time soon.
I don’t think the Ebon Blade has ever done raising into undeath…? I skipped SL and I’m not up to date with DK lore, so I may be missing something. I’ve always had the impression they regarded their state as a curse, even if they could make themselves useful, and would not inflict that upon someone else.
While the Primus was an alright character from a bad expansion, I’d prefer if they kept away from the worse elements of that bad expansion altogether. That includes Maldraxxus.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s not an awful zone but the aesthetic of it being a potential option as someone’s afterlife is pretty miserable to consider. Bring the Primus out of Maldraxxus and then, yeah, that could honestly work. Make the Ebon Blade an “Undead Police Force” for Azeroth - Anti-Heroes that use the darkness against the darkness.
There’s no real need for anything at all in WoW. It’s entertainment - everything is optional. It’d just be good to flesh out the world a bit more, like they used to. There’s also the fact that they really need to do a fair bit of housekeeping considering the flops they’ve been making!
Fair enough. Some people might see it as joining a game and “trying to change the rules” sort of thing, but then we all make suggestions. There’s nothing wrong with adding new lore as long as it respects the past. I think the issue is when people want changes to the game without actually respecting the game - that’s when you have to ask why are they even playing the game.
That’s not what I am getting from you, though. You understand that there needs to be a healthy way to implement your wishes, rather than just slapping them in!
They definitely see it as a curse, but remember that the majority of us have jobs/responsibilities that we in someway resent but do so anyway out of duty or need. Could follow the same lines - they raise new recruits out of necessity for their cause. Is it consensual? Well, hopefully most people get a choice but I am sure a few get raised when they would really rather stay dead! That’s where the darker, morally ambiguous side of things come in.
The Ebon Blade were raising new Death Knights in Wrath and Legion. Fair enough, the Wrath Death Knights were empowered by the Lich King and the Legion Death Knights were mainly lesser versions, but then Shadowlands revealed that Bolvar had been raising more during the Fourth War - so the sentiment to do so is definitely there, at least.
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Yeah I thought that was an interesting justification for the race additions to the class. I’ll need to read up on the Ebon Blade doing that in Wrath and Legion, I always had the impression it were either renegade necromancers sneakily doing their thing, or the Lich King adding some ‘volunteers’ to the ranks. I’m intrigued!
Personally I think undeath as it is in WoW as a concept is fascinating. I wasn’t a fan of Calia and her conversion, I don’t think it needs to be prettified. In that sense I’d definitely be interested in storytelling where this aspect of the setting gets highlighted. My impression has been Blizzard is a bit unsure of what to do with it, but I think going with ‘we no longer do that around here’ would be a shame.
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You might want to, but that’s not gonna change the fact that they made that story end in that source, everything begins and ends in Maldraxxus with the Primus. That’s where the necro powers come from.
Forge new one or smth, there are plenty of materials for those kinds of things, or find a new one, dks can literally still travel to shadowlands if i understand their abilities
DKs have a few different problems right now, not being playable on enough races isn’t one of them.
This class has been forgotten in 2015, the last time we got a serious look into our gameplay was Legion. Ever since we’re just getting some dev tuning knobs and trying to keep this old clunky mess afloat somehow. Whole class needs a complete overhaul…
Now for your actual issue… The usual debate of gameplay vs lore/fantasy.
- Gameplay Argument: Who cares man just make everything available to everyone, look at Baldru’s Gate 3 and many other games.
- Lore/fantasy Argument: Dude, we didn’t just defeat the Lich King… There is no Helm of Domination period. No ultimate source of Necromancy in this world anymore. Every race that came between Cata and shadowlands had the justification that Bolvar raised them. In the DK order hall campaign we were tasked/empowered by Bolvar and our then powerful artifact weapons to help raise the knights of the apocalypse. Those powers literally don’t exist anymore in game. What are you going to do? Claim that through Maldraxxus or some other Shadowlands related lore abomination we still can’t forget people can come back from the dead as Death Knights?! That just destroys the afterlife and the already messed up lore even more.
THIS. So much this! To anyone who falls onto the “gameplay argument” above, please always keep this in mind. (I’m looking at you gnome demon hunter fan club)
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Lore adherence
Earthen are not flesh, we have never seen an undead titanforged so there’s a good chance earthen cannot even be raised into undeath through necromancy until they are made flesh.
Dracthyr are technically golems given life, so its in the air wether they can be undead as well (I didn’t do the dracthyr raid if there are undead dracthyr in the game I stand corrected immediately, personally just never saw one)
Otherwise I would say the main reason is we havn’t had a major recruitment spree on the Ebon holds in the lore (previously: wrath, legion & shadowlands, = every race introduced up until shadowlands now can be a DK)
I know people will say all classes for all races but since then we’ve had 2 races introduced that do not have all classes from the start and we have a total of 0 races that have all classes available to them so I am lightpressed to say that I think they torched that idea man.
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