Death of Matthias Shaw and Flynn Fairwind

And you got to keep sticking that knife in to make sure dont you . You have to keep on and on thinking you are better then me well you are not but good night .

I don’t think I’m better than you, we all have issues and different outlooks on how to deal on them. Have a good night.

‘https://twitter.com/_DonAdams/status/1280622957442686976?s=20’

Just gonna put this here

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You’re saying you don’t like them being a gay couple. There’s no other change that’s been made to them. They’re still the same characters.

In fact, you specifically worded the thread as “DEATH of Matthias Shaw and Flynn Fairwind”, as characters, because of one signle reason: they’re now GAY. How terrifying!

No, I don’t. Because despite being gay, I’ve never in my life disliked certain characters being straight.
Never went on forums to complain that Thrall basically abandoned the Horde to go on and have a straight relationship.
You know why? Because that’s fine. That is a legitimate character development in this world we live in. Saying that I don’t like that relationship and that it somehow ruined the character that is otherwise the same as he was 15 years ago would be pretty absurd, and YES, would also be pretty straightphobic.

But you know what? It would be just fine if you just disliked it, but didn’t go on the forums to complain about it, you know, like any normal human being would handle it. You did though, and that’s a real shame.

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I’m sorry to hear that you were the victim of sexual abuse, I hope the abuser was prosecuted to the full extent of the law… doesn’t change my opinion about the dangers of Xians offering the other cheek, merely to occupy the moral high ground.

I prefer Ezekiel 25:17.
‘I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them’

  • King James Bible

Turning the other cheek is very popular with bullies and bigots, it means they can transgress, without consequences, which massively fuels their obsession with control… Gekko ‘gets it’ because you are enabling him.

If the story was about a Lesbian relationship, I very much doubt he would be creating threads to rail against it.

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Thanks, and it’s OK to agree to disagree. I like to try end things on at least a neutral tone. :slight_smile: Not going to post on this anymore, but I will say this last thing:

Blizzard can write how they want to, it’s all fine by me.

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Straw man argument…nobody claimed it did…the point is that bullying is unacceptable and should be fought…as indeed you claim to have done, thus undermining your entire point.

Swap lesbian with straight and I very much agree with this statement.

I’ve never seen anyone complain about a straight relationship or call it forced.
When “A Moment in Verse” got released, the majority of people welcomed it. Those who didn’t, their reasoning wasn’t because they’re straight or forced.

But every time a character is written to be gay or anything similar there is a literal uproar: this short story, the Tracer comic from Overwatch, Soldier 76…
And the reason is because if it caters to them, these kind of people are happy, but if it isn’t about them just once, they’re unhappy.

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The point I was making, is that heterosexual men often have no problem with lesbian fiction (since it feeds a popular male fantasy)…but as soon as the couple are men, the complaints start.

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The problem is here, they were not written to be gay, they were converted to be gay for LGBT appeal in an unorganic way.

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That is true as they are not gay but BI massive difference .

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Kinda suprised they went with the one ‘evil’ guy in the alliance to be the token gay.

Super suprised given all the ‘back stabbing’ jokes him being a rogue adds to it.

Disingenuous…the real problem is that they are blokes… if you had suddenly discovered some unexpected girl on girl action in the literature, you would not have been complaining.

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He is not gay he is bi sexual massive difference .

You must have missed the ‘in my hour of need, the Alliance gave me a case of crabs’ quest line?

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You mean like Thrall wasn’t initially written to be a father, Garrosh wasn’t initially written as a villain, Shadowlands weren’t initially written to be thousand of pretty realms? Your point?
Things develop, whether you like the way they develop or not.
Again, this isn’t any kind of excuse for you to feed on.

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Not actually true…there have been a noticeable number of pejorative and dehumanising epithets applied to the LGBT community, in comments on threads about this subject…and all the other inclusivity subjects.

Not to mention the fact that most people with intelligence, are smart enough not to employ the crude and obvious approach, when campaigning against inclusivity… the subtle knife, is preferred.

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What :smirk: Garrosh has always been a scumbag still I would love to see such characters. He was racist, extremely antogonistic towards everyone except Orcs, imagine if he was turned into a pacifist modest Orc all of a sudden, it would be a terrible change.

I read the book Warchief, Thrall was in love with Taretha, he was written to be a father from the start what are you talking about?

And yet not a villain until the end of MoP.

Or maybe you’re just shipping them? Because Thrall was never in love with Taretha. Either way Taretha didn’t even exist until BC.

So do you have any other arguments beside the fact that you’re homophobic or?

There was a development behind it. He has always been a scumbag, he was consistent and stable mostly. Alliance hated him for Theramore etc, Horde hated him for his racist attitude and all that was left was turning him into a raid boss. That wasn’t nonsense.

Me shipping an Orc? No. He went rage mode upon seeing Taretha’s lifeless head in a sack. Characters in such fictional worlds go crazy when they learn about death of someone they love.