Defend Saurfang?

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With honor you gain respect. With war you bring death. Saurfang Vs Sylvana’s!
Really guys you want to die with a bunch of honor or would you prefer winning the battle by making asmuch deaths as possible? Simple fact is…Sylvana’s may be evil but shes smart. Saurfang may want honor and respect…but that wont bring you far in battles would it?..#sylvanasforever!
P.s dont reply with ‘awwww your making spelling mistakes’ this is meant for all the saurfang defenders…because remember with honor you gain respect :smile:

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Isn’t that what Sylvanas is doing? And more successfully than Garrosh.

Theramore is a glaring example that he absolutely did.

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Well it’s apparent there’s a clear divide, both parties for and against eachother, am sure its a divide Blizzard wanted. I’d much rather have Sylvanas leader because of the story she’s had and I went along with her for, for me it feels right. An orc is an Orc, green Jesus or otherwise, I like the drama :smiley:

Back on my topic, last night me and the Mrs took our Illidari to the questionable encounter, and all I can say is, if only Blizzard implemented that same ‘WARNING’ box for BOTH decisions, half these threads wouldn’t exist.

Both options should be equal to decide from, not not some weird half arsed, if Saurfang decision had the same warning, things would be sooo much different.

For Sylvanas! :smiley:

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God you really dont know your lore do you.

Garrosh allowed for Theramore to be evacuated. No civillian casualities.

yes thats a fact.
And sylvanas isn’t waging war for glory. She’s freaking Scourge 2.0… raising dead horde troops showing massive disrespect to the fallen.
She wants to murder everything and everyone… and to quote her " Kill hope"

So no. your comparisons are completely out of this world.

Edit: Fun fact. Even in MOP before the end, Garrosh had a line that stated explicitely " There is killing…and then there is Murder" when addressing one of his champions that couldn’t control the shah energies like he could.

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Nope. Baine warned them before the attack - behind Garrosh’s back.

I’m not comparing Sylvanas to Garrosh. I’m saying she’s better at war than him.

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First of all. Garrosh decided NOT to press the attack during the evacuation. Then battle continued for a while…and AFTERWARDS…he ordered the bomb to be dropped as battle paused.

So once again you’re ignoring facts.

And thats rather preposterous. Garrosh lead successful campaigns and many victories in TBC, WOLTK and cataclysm let alone MOP and he became such a military threat it took the whole world to stop him.

Sylvanas got attacked 1 time and she fled, nuking her own city and now desperate for aid.

Garrosh lead official military attacks on multiple locations and won a lot. Sylvanas relied on a sneak attack on an alliance city and when finally faced with the might of the alliance what happens… she loses.

Edit: And dont even get me started on how much of a military genius she is that she uses blight on HORDE SOLDIERS:

Talk about tactical brilliance there. Friendly fire.

Which leads me to another good quote from Garry " Ishi, you attack our own !!! Fight the Shah!!!"
Making it positively clear Garrosh was hardly a fan of killing ones own warriors.

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There was literally no need to attack Theramore. There was no need to nuke it.
How is that any different to Teldrassil?

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As I said. Garrosh wanted simple war and domination for land, resources and glorious combat because its the orc way.

Sylvanas just wants everyone to die because she’s fundamentally traumatized and extremely unstabile to the point I consider her WoW Stalin.

And if you really need to ask the difference then its pretty clear. Garrosh Pre-5.4.8 would not have ordered the mass genocide of night elf civillians. Children. He would’ve probably been freaking out if anyone ordered such a thing as is proven clearly by his behavior in Stonetalon mountains.

Let alone the strategic position of Teldrassil and its resources.

Sylvanas however did and smiled as they all burned because this war isn’t about honor or glory or land. Its about her murdering everyone and everything because shes insane and deranged. Traumatized and utterly unbalanced. All of which can be proven by blizzards own writing and cinematics.

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I’m on the fence about Sylvanas and her recent actions - I’ll agree with you on that.

But comparing her to Garrosh and saying that he wasn’t

is a bit disingenuous.

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Im not defending garrosh after 5.4.8. Im defending him prior to that because he wasn’t a madman by that time. After that, yes he was out of his mind. Feel free to compare.

And I dont find it disingenuous at all after seeing Blizzards own cinematics and reading the comic they released. Arthas killing her left her scarred to indescribably extent and her losing the thing from Legion when Genn smashed it clearly put her over the edge.

This is her personal vendetta and horde soldiers are dying for it being told its for the horde. For glory and the defense of our faction. But its anything but.

She’s completely unhinged and personally i dont like it at all. I loved sylvanas in the past. She was great in Warcraft 3.Bbut in typical blizzard fashion… we can’t have nice things with our Horde leaders.

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See I don’t think she is unhinged.
That’s what makes her such a good villain if you want to cast her as one.
She knows exactly what’s she’s doing and she doesn’t give a damn.

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I agree. Which is what I consider unhinged.

Crazy people dont know they are crazy after all. She’s on a murderspree. No matter if its alliance or horde that gets in her way.

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We all have different opinions. It would be a boring world if we all thought the same thing. However, calling me evil and soul less is out of order though. You can dislike a choice I make in a game but you don’t get to insult me for it.

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The green text is a dead giveaway :grin:

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That is your interpretation of events but it does not match mine.

I don’t feel the need to insult others who didn’t choose the same option.

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Saurfang fan for years. What did you expect lol .
And btw, I dont insult you for taking that option.
I called you out for being quite hateful of an orc that represents the only decent thing left in the Horde which I found quite unreasonable when blizzard themselves are literally portraying him this way now to grand extent. Staying true to his values which he has preached for years.

The high overlord embodies what it means to be Horde. A statement he has lived up to all the way back from Vanilla. So calling him a traitor and dishonorable is something I cannot remotely fathom unless you are a die hard Sylvanas loyalist, which is fine, but even still it does not besmirch his honor to refuse to kill unarmed children.

Is he a traitor to Sylvanas? yes. Is he a traitor to the Horde? Absolutely not. He’s a patriot if anything.

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I actually found the pdf stories they released about the events leading up to what happened very interesting. They don’t seem to have translated well into what happened in the scenarios we saw in game.

I wasn’t a fan of Garrosh, hated him, but I loved Thrall, don’t really like what they’ve done with him. I really liked Vol’Jin as Warchief, but they didn’t really do anything with him and being killed off by an npc was really poor writing.

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Agreed. The PDF stories are way more detailed and its such a shame how blizzard didn’t include all the stuff that happened in Astraanar between Sylvanas, Malfurion and Saurfang.
The invasion was incredibly rushed sadly.

I love thrall as well. But since he’s gone, Voljin is gone and yeah. The entire old guard is gone largely, Saurfang is all we truly have left.

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I have not insulted you just told you that it makes you seem that way :smiley: i am the one that likes you the most Puny its just one of those passive agressive days dont worry :stuck_out_tongue:.But its true we can disagree on the opinions thou but dont try to turn me into a bad guy please :frowning:.

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Think Puny was talking to me. But well lol :slight_smile:

Merry christmas!

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