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Your logs for heroic and normal are pretty meh. You're the same ilvl as me and I have almost full 99% for all heroic and normal. My damage is still kinda meh by comaprison to other specs.
I don't really give a !@#$, to be honest. I'm having fun with demo, even in casual PVP.
I said that i don't have my BIS gear and stats, ilvl doesn't mean anything if my traits and stats are !@#$, your stats are perfect but still, that's really impressive performance. Should i try Grimoire: Felguard instead of inner demons?
Anyway, as i said, our nubers are fine, better middlepack than op for 2 weeks than nerfed to the ground, but Demonology is so boring in BFA, i really miss metamorphosys and chaos weave and old demon bolt and soulfire and touch of chaos, that spec was perfect!
The only trait you have that is totally !@#$ is Forbidden Knowledge. What's the generic trait for all specs on your shoulders? It probably out performs Forbidden Knowledge.
Felguard stat weights on simcraft seem to favour more haste, whereas using Inner Demons favours more crit and versatility once you reach a certain haste threshold. Secondary stats overall don't even matter that much anymore for demo, they're all very balanced.
Maybe you're getting declined because you're a 697, not because you're a warlock.
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im having fun with demolock atm.
i havent played pve serious in 2expa si i cant realy said its "bad", but ppl aint complain in my guild so.
you dont need to be the top dps, you can be the worst dps in the raid, but if you stil do the dps required to down the boss, its all good.
No it's not, if you're pushing high content and actually be successful no one will tolerate you playing demo, except for a few fights where it might be an exception.
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warlock is awesome atm
That's why you are still at 110 and havent played them!
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im having fun with demolock atm.
i havent played pve serious in 2expa si i cant realy said its "bad", but ppl aint complain in my guild so.
you dont need to be the top dps, you can be the worst dps in the raid, but if you stil do the dps required to down the boss, its all good.
So yes! Imagine the dps needed for a boss is = 100% . Others do 99% i do 1% its fine!
11/11/2018 04:22Posted by
Mákiff im having fun with demolock atm.
i havent played pve serious in 2expa si i cant realy said its "bad", but ppl aint complain in my guild so.
you dont need to be the top dps, you can be the worst dps in the raid, but if you stil do the dps required to down the boss, its all good.
So yes! Imagine the dps needed for a boss is = 100% . Others do 99% i do 1% its fine!
Normaly a class that doesnt do mutch dps have some strong defensive skills, right?
So, i go do a bg. I'm alone moving to an objective, a Rogue sap's me and i'm dead.
It's fine lool let the others Win for me!!
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11/11/2018 04:22Posted by
Mákiff im having fun with demolock atm.
i havent played pve serious in 2expa si i cant realy said its "bad", but ppl aint complain in my guild so.
you dont need to be the top dps, you can be the worst dps in the raid, but if you stil do the dps required to down the boss, its all good.
So yes! Imagine the dps needed for a boss is = 100% . Others do 99% i do 1% its fine!
you didnt understand what i meant. i was talking about like this, for ex. if everybody does 14k dps you can kill the boss before he goes berserk. therefore you dont need to do 20k etc. you dont need to be a beast at dps aslong has everybody has the "minimum" dps for the boss etc.
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I don't understand how people can complain about warlocks.
I don't understand how people can complain about warlocks.
Even if all 3 specs were OP, forum people would still find a way to complain about them.
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you have issues
The community has issues
I don't give a !@#$ :p
you keep talking about Numbers and opness everytime.
everyone is mostly talking about general gameplay, QoL abilities and general fun.
You just look like you're incredibly limited.
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11/11/2018 23:50Posted by
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The community has issues
I don't give a !@#$ :p
you keep talking about Numbers and opness everytime.
everyone is mostly talking about general gameplay, QoL abilities and general fun.
You just look like you're incredibly limited.
I don't mention gameplay because I think it's fine. I have mentioned a few minor QOL changes in other threads.
Are you guys playing the same raid as me?
Taloc - Affliction is very strong
MOTHER - Affliction is very strong
Zek - middle of the pack for all specs
Vectis - Destruction is very strong
Fetid - Affliction is very strong
Zul - not needed especially (sub rogues lul)
Mythrax - Affliction is MANDATORY
G'huun - Warlocks are MANDATORY
This is only from a mythic point of view as heroic can be done with any comp but we're still strong.
Basically, I've never felt more wanted, especially being able to play all 3 specs.
I don't care pve numbers (for me it is only learning mechanics and phases and when use my offensive cd to put max numbers + gear) but pvp is meh this seasson.
Destro will get IK, affli will get IK, what matter is add demon armor if everyone will eaaasily los our burst. Most classes have direct mobility (rogue shadowstep/hook, warrior leep, hunter disengage/hook, mage blink, druid dash/bear...). I will survive squishy warlock, I will survive no mobility and medicore dmg, but I need something to stop opponent flee. With frost mage nerfs , it will be a lot harder in 8.1
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Are you guys playing the same raid as me?
Taloc - Affliction is very strong
MOTHER - Affliction is very strong
Zek - middle of the pack for all specs
Vectis - Destruction is very strong
Fetid - Affliction is very strong
Zul - not needed especially (sub rogues lul)
Mythrax - Affliction is MANDATORY
G'huun - Warlocks are MANDATORY
This is only from a mythic point of view as heroic can be done with any comp but we're still strong.
Basically, I've never felt more wanted, especially being able to play all 3 specs.
Please define "very strong". When i check logs for Mythic Uldir, I am seeing Affliction Warlock's DPS as "okay". Not "Very strong". Or, I am just checking the wrong logs.
I'd say Affliction Warlock is not THAT strong. I checked your logs. You have between 16k - 22k DPS among different bosses with 384 ilvl.
I, with Demo lock, have 14k - 19k DPS among different bosses, with 14 ilvl lower than you (370). With the same ilvl i would provide the same DPS. Not to mention I don't have my BIS weapon and my BIS traits.
Also, when i check the top DPS dealers, again, Affliction is not "very strong".
We are not "dominating" top of ladders in ANY field, be it M+ DGs, be it Mythic Uldir, be it PvP.We are "okay" in PvE, flat out horrible in PvP.And just because "x" person finds the design of the specs and their gameplay alright, doesn't mean others have to see it that way too. They CAN have different opinions.
I mean come on, Maldiva is literally playing a boomkin... One of the best Warlock PvPers out there.
So yeah, it is not surprising to see people complaining on the forums. Either just simply state you disagree with them(which contributes nothing to the subject of the topic), or don't passive agressively try to underestimate them.
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We are "okay" in PvE, flat out horrible in PvP.
Basically this.
Acceptable in PvE but in PvP i really need to set up my Demonic circle and Demonic Gateway before joining any fight. I'm dead if i get attacked before those two are down.
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you keep talking about Numbers and opness everytime.
everyone is mostly talking about general gameplay, QoL abilities and general fun.
You just look like you're incredibly limited.
I don't mention gameplay because I think it's fine. I have mentioned a few minor QOL changes in other threads.
think it's fine???? Ok, each his own opinion.
but then please, Don't jump into gameplay thread by bringing mostly Numbers. It's getting tiresome. we Always get the "but locks are doing fine" vibe whenever we complain about the trash gameplay we got
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I'd say Affliction Warlock is not THAT strong. I checked your logs. You have between 16k - 22k DPS among different bosses with 384 ilvl.
I, with Demo lock, have 14k - 19k DPS among different bosses, with 14 ilvl lower than you (370). With the same ilvl i would provide the same DPS. Not to mention I don't have my BIS weapon and my BIS traits.
If I was you I wouldn't bring up personal logs when you are talking to that guy. Not looking good for you.
Please define "very strong". When i check logs for Mythic Uldir, I am seeing Affliction Warlock's DPS as "okay". Not "Very strong". Or, I am just checking the wrong logs.
1st on taloc. 9th on mother. 1st on fetid. 14th on zek'voz. 6th on vectis. 12th on zul. 6th on mythrax. 19th on ghuun.
Strong spec is obviously something that performs above average. Okay spec would be average spec. Obviously if you look at the logs you can see that affliction is pretty strong and when you combine it with destruction you have a very strong class overall. Also being mandatory for ghuun is pretty sweet. Secures you raid spot.
I mean come on, Maldiva is literally playing a boomkin... One of the best Warlock PvPers out there.
In legion warlock had same problems as it has now, but people still played because it was very easy class to play and borderline OP due to being extremely tanky. It had some pretty tough counters, but overall it performed well.
Well they didn't fix the issues warlocks have which make them very annoying to play and removed their passive defensives. I don't see any good reason why people would be too thrilled to play a warlock.
On the other hand boomkins are the caster fotm atm. Many think they are fun to play and share similar playstyle to locks, but none of the issues.
And just because "x" person finds the design of the specs and their gameplay alright, doesn't mean others have to see it that way too. They CAN have different opinions.
Of course they can and they should have. That's what makes a discussion and disagreeing with someone is part of it.
So yeah, it is not surprising to see people complaining on the forums. Either just simply state you disagree with them(which contributes nothing to the subject of the topic), or don't passive agressively try to underestimate them.
Forums are for discussion and saying that you just disagree without telling them why would contribute nothing to the subject. If you want to !@#$%^-*!@ go somewhere else.
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Its the problem for almost all dps classes. They are boooooooring.
Example : check the warrior class. Before mop it used to be fun class by switching weapons and equiping shields , stance dancing , and right now just charge roflstomp your enemys by spaming two abilitys till they get to execute range and then kill them.