Not me. I’m ditching M+ for Delves and I want even better loot for my fellow Delvers and I.
I do still intend to get the M+ robot mount at some point though.
Welcome to the club.
The danger with that though, is if too many previously M+ and raiders do that, players with that particular type of mindset and style of gaming will start playing delves and probably asking for changes to it. Changes that might not be in the best interest of those players whom Delves are originally aimed at.
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If that happens we can just say stuff like “If you want a timer/depletion/leavers so much go to M+, that’s not what Delves are about.”
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Remove M+ and have raiding for group content seems simple enough to balance… its always the M+ players who cry lol…
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that we can all agree on .
and atm for majority of wow players faster and faster other OPTIONS aka other games seems more and more enticing with every day when blizzard dont fix m+
i would be you that if it wasnt for 20 years event a lot of people would already unsub now.
All i can say is that the gear separation was tried in the past and it did not go down well.
They can try it again but better start giving us some real bag space as that would mean i have to carry at least 3 whole sets of gear.
But i am fast losing interest in this expansion as a whole now. The whole game feels like one huge beta test with nothing set until we test it for them. %80 buffs here, 1/3 nerf there. As if the whole ting was rushed out the door faster than a Ubisoft Assassins Creed title.
And dont even mention the elephant in the room they are hoping you will ignore. The data loss. I hope many of you do not let them store your credit crard details with them. I dont let anybody store that stuff. And the thing is…blizzard will store this anyway contradicting your choices. You can find this out yourself when you unsub and come back. Mysteriously they still have your details when when told to delete this info. GDPR in the EU anybody?
I expect Blizzard will just nerf M+ after the anniversary event. It’s probably currently so hard to increase participation in the anniversary.
Youve probably drowned all the bad swimmers on your own with your tears.
You must be an m+ runner lol!
Indeed. If M+ was the same and Delves were capping at, say, veteran gear; I’d be purely raidlogging.
Delves haven’t hurt M+, M+ has self-harmed.
Yep, I agree it is a likely problem. You do need a solid chunk of runic crests to get to 619, and delves aren’t very generous with them, but if you are for example also running the heroic raid every week, even if it’s just 4-6 bosses, that can leave you with a wealth of crests. I suspect 2-4 weeks and this kind of playstyle will start maxing out at 619 without even touching M+.
Blizzard need to make M+ fun again, and get the progression path back to how it was in DF (i.e. top tier crests in 6s, myth vaults in 8s), in combination with actually dialing down the damage taken as they repeatedly said they would be doing but never did.
This, if a +7 was as easy as a t8 delve, m+ runners would largely be ignoring delves, since the reward is the same, but instead they have to come to delves for gear, as the m+ scene is so unfriendly right now it’s tragic.
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Every item has base item level and individual item levels for each of the 10 “conflicting” types of content: Overworld, Warmode overworld, Delves, Non-timed dungeons, Timed dungeons, Raids, Non-rated PvP, Rated PvP, Forum PvP, Trial of Style.
Every time an item comes into one’s possession for a type of content that is higher than what the character has “unlocked” so far for that item slot and content, then all items of this specific season, regardless of where they dropped, are upgraded to that item level for that content.
For example, I kill an overworld boss and it drops an item that has base level 567 but works as 610 in overworld. So this item and only so far works as 610 when I quest in the overworld, but gets downgraded to 567 to every other type of content. Now let’s say that when doing a dungeon I get an item that has base level 550 (lower than above) and Timed dungeon item-level of 619. Now, I have 2 options: Either I keep the previous item and have it work as 619 in Timed Dungeons (unlocked from the new item), 610 in Overworld and 567 everywhere else, or I keep the new one that will work as 619 in Timed Dungeons, 610 in Overworld (unlocked from the previous item) and 567 everywhere else (unlocked from the previous item).
It’s in essence a template system hidden behind an equipment system.
Sorry but I don’t need to over compensate with a game.
Delvs are not for you nor your little M+ buds… if you get that into your head its a start.
It is funny how it is the M+ players who keep crying the loudest… Do you see M Raiders care about delvs or its loot? its the spoilt entitled bunch that do M+ and think somehow they are good lol.
What delvs has done is those who wanted gear and put up with the likes of you did M+ before and now they don’t need to interact with your types again.
And this is even more funny as this is how raiders treated M+ players at the start.
I know its hard to think being well you but 4 bits of rng loot vs how many in M+ per week…
But I though all you M+ guys wanted the challenge for the gear? It couldn’t be you want to out gear it and faceroll it in the WoW way? Never?
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What? I never said I wanted a challenge. I constantly talk about how I just farm OP gear and then batter everything in RPGs I play.
Earlier in this thread I talk about how if it was up to me even the biggest forum crybaby would be kitted out in Mythic loot. Scroll up and you’ll see it.
If I wanted a challenge I’d train for a marathon or something like that.
Interestingly I did the zek’vir boss challenge in a group today.
The boss was pretty easy, but not so easy it felt insultingly so, the mechanics were simple enough to not need explanation, yet they were engaging enough that they couldn’t be ignored.
Why on earth is +7 not like this?
the problem is not with dvelves having this gear.
the problem is that T8 offers hc level gear for completing something on hc dungoens / lfr difficulty .
Lets get real here 5 man content should never reward near raid level… If I was a M+ player I’d just be thankful you can…
But the problem is how can these mid players look down on others who dare get some gear.
Again and repeat this in life too. Just because you find something easy doesn’t mean everyone does. Now get outside your bubble and read other forums on delvs and how easy ppl find them… Again this content isn’t for you…
People realy gotta stop demanding changes to delves and loot it is a heavy rng roll for maybe some good gear or just 3 trinkets/rings/necks. Realy not worth crying over.
And people gotta stop demanding it to be challenging we already have M+ and Raids at difrent level for group challenge.
And if people ask enough then they can easily give re collor armor to mage tower. Or give a reworked Brawlers guild back both of these packs a punch and gives solo players the challenge they need without taking away the Versatility rings from us who dont care for a big challenge but just wants to be abit more bulky so we dont have to ask Billy who do M+ 10 and hc/myth raid to come help us kill some rare that hits hard.
It is realy that simple we the casuals have a challenge in the delves. I die regulary on my characters in a level 7 delve and higher so i feel challenged enough. If people want it to be harder then go ask for Brawlers guild and Mage tower
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and again .
its not the problem that content its there.
the problem is that its overreawarding by mile compared to other game modes.
if you belive this will last longer then this season in its current form - you are plain delusional
In my mind the issue isn’t the gear.
The issue is the huge leap of difficulty to mythic+ mythic 0 feels a lot like tier 8 delve to me. Both can 2 shot me if I’m not paying attention to casts. Now with delve 8 on par with myth 7 loot I think?
I can see why people opt for delves.
Even if it’s just to avoid having to group or the reason for me personally: having to beat a damn time. I like to go chill mode.
Delves give that.
Mythic + got no chill bro.
And I like my gear. But it does feel silly I can get 616 from casually going thru a lvl 8 delve (ya know wait for cd’s between packs. Pull single mobs where possible. Stun interrupts defensive cd’s where needed)
I just feel a massive wall between going from my chill delves into the zergfest that is mythic +
I don’t think it’s necessary, I’ve not m+ this season and I’ll happily stick with delves at the moment. The issue is plugging m+, if you do it which I did often before you run the risk of toxic behaviour, that said I had more good runs than bad. Honestly if you don’t want toxic behaviour get a guild or a team and don’t pug. Personally delves are great for me I have time restrictions so they just work, great addition.
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