Most problem about Demo, it´s completely unfun to face when he´s playing Double caster
From my perspective, with double caster this spec looks too op
but if he plays it with an Meele, it feels like, that this class doesnt do anything
How can you even treat average Demo players serious if they don’t even read patch notes and they don’t even know how their spec works. Guy is still talking about some Tyrant interrupting xD
Blacklock is never biased but most of Demo Locks are tripping.
Reign of Tyranny
Summon Demonic Tyrant empowers 5 additional Wild Imps and deals 10% increased damage for each demon he empowers.
With that talent you can have a Damage dealing tyrant - not as strong as pre 10.2 20-30 less damage, but not even near being useless.
It seems you belong to the same derogatory slang category that you call the other people in this topic.
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It’s not me who has 29% winrate in 3s.
Also I have better Demo players to talk with who are not biased.
I literally played few seasons with this guy and he admits Demo is broken.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/burning-legion/myskul
Should I listen to you or Bloodlock, Blacklock and him? Let’s see… I guess it’s obvious what’s the right choice.
I may not have the best start, but at least unlike you I read the actual patch notes and look at the damage.
Old Reign of Tyrant buffed tyrant’s damage for 90% (only 25% in pvp) and gave 7% of the damage for each imp and 21% for the dreadstalker, vilefiend and felguards.
Now it deals 30% more damage in the baseline and it is not scaled down in PvP. And you get 10% for each demon. Which is capped on 200% counting all possible imps and the rest of the demons.
After all tests on PTR with in the same gear from pre 10.2 tyrant with six imps and full greater demon group dealt 30-20% less damage in pvp (blame blizz calculations and PvP modifiers) so with damage numbers slightly behind pre 10.2 and damage of rest of the demons being increased from 15% to 30% damage is relatively the same. And looking at your post it seems that you ignore the tyrant, which may be the cause of your issues with demo right now.
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You still are clueless. Read what Tyrant does atm. It’s not this talent. Tyrant got reworked…
Summon Demonic Tyrant
Talent
2% of base mana 40 yd range
2 sec cast 1.5 min cooldown
Requires Warlock
Summon a Demonic Tyrant to increase the duration of your Dreadstalkers, Vilefiend, Felguard, and up to 10 of your Wild Imps by 15 sec. Your Demonic Tyrant increases the damage of affected demons by 15%, while damaging your target.[Soulbound Tyrant: Generates 0 Soul Shards.]
Do I really have to teach you how your spec works?
P.S.:
I’ll be generous and post all Demo changes for 10.2:
- Demonology
- Developers’ note: Demonology’s damage profile is currently too reliant on Nether Portal and Tyrant windows. In Guardians of the Dream, we’re redistributing this power to other parts of Demonology’s rotation and decoupling the synergy between these two cooldowns so that they can stand on their own rather than being dependent on one another. We still want Nether Portal and Demonic Tyrant to be impactful, powerful cooldowns – just not the only source of meaningful output for a Demonology Warlock.
- Gul’dan’s Ambition has been redesigned – When Nether Portal ends, you summon a Pit Lord that serves you for 10 seconds.
- Grand Warlock’s Design has been redesigned – Summon Demonic Tyrant cooldown is reduced by 30 seconds.
- Ner’zhul’s Volition has been redesigned – Demons summoned from your Nether Portal deal 15/30% increased damage.
- Demonic Knowledge now has a 10% chance of causing Hand of Gul’dan to generate a Demonic Core (was 15%).
- New Talent: Volatile Fiends – Implosion deals 10% increased damage. Bilescourge Bombers deal 20% increased damage and your spells now have a chance to summon a Bilescourge Bomber.
- Summon Demonic Tyrant has been redesigned – Summon a Demonic Tyrant to increase the duration of your Dreadstalkers, Vilefiend, Felguard, and up to 10 of your Wild Imps for 15 seconds. Your Demonic Tyrant increases the damage of affected demons by 15% while damaging your target.
- Reign of Tyranny has been redesigned – Active Wild Imps grant 1 stack of Demonic Servitude and active greater demons grant 3 stacks of Demonic Servitude, up to 15 stacks. Demonic Tyrant deals 10% additional damage for each stack of Demonic Servitude active at the time of his summon.
- Inner Demons no longer has a chance to summon an additional demon during combat.
- Demonic Core is no longer baseline.
- Demonbolt now grants the passive Demonic Core when learned.
- Shadow Bolt damage increased by 30%.
- Demonbolt damage increased by 15%.
- Vilefiend damage increased by 15%.
- Bloodbound Imps has been removed.
I know how he work right now, and if you are implying that he doesn’t work with Nether portal any more than it is an old news. I spoke about tyrant himself and apart from his breakage from Nether portal gang he is relatively the same. Yes he works only with named demons and imps are capped at 10. He no longer prolongs the time of fellord and observer - pvp talents.
And nether portal aside have you seen an situation where demo could summon 15 imps to buff them? He works just the same in the end of the line, he just changed one damage increase type to another with relatively slightly less damage numbers.
Nether portal is what is broken but it is an another topic and you haven’t mentioned it.
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Dude what Nether Portal? Nobody plays Nether Portal xD What is this argument even. You literally said that a counter to Demo is CCing or Interrupting Demo. It isn’t. Trust me I play Ele I have 10 different locks on my FL. I played with 4 last season and I’m in touch with them. I know what to care about when I face it because I tested them with Myskul on ptr and we were theorycrafting for a month.
Nobody is playing portal. I faced around 10 different Demo Locks this season already as well. Nobody literally nobody played portal. You have some wrong information. Also I have some high rated friends. Today I played Disc Turbo - suboptimal comp because R Druid or Prevoker would be way better here and we beat few very good MLPs but once Destru switched to Demo were not even close. Disc I played with was 2800 on Holy last season and is long time Disc main.
And if you still have issues with talent builds there is check-pvp or murlok to check. I don’t know where you took that portal from. Maybe in your shuffles people tank Pitlord and you think I don’t know how it works but it’s not the case. It’s 100 k no crit Demon Bolt and this new passive that makes your main pet deal insane damage what is two top sources of the damage.
Oh I forgot I played against Merce and he didn’t play Nether Portal. Maybe he should come for tips to you.
https://murlok.io/warlock/demonology/solo
Stats from top 50 Demo Locks in the world in your favourite solo shuffle bracket. Not a single one plays portal. Definetely it’s Portal making Demo broken. Thanks for the tips Daedra.
I do not have issues, thank you.
Don’t know who that is and honestly don’t care.
But back to your topic.
Well isn’t that the same gameplay nuance as having to keep in mind all imunes to CC or damage, reflects, interrupts, silences, force to proc precog and ETC.
Then for the others they need to keep in mind that obelisk must be destroyed, tyrant can and should be CCed, felguard and his demonic strenght can be neglected by roots and freeze.
But imagine if you could disable the heroism, bloodlust, PI, and other damage buffs by simply destroying some object - It is far easier to deal with fel obelisc than with Metamorphosis or Wings. Obelisc is 5% of warlock HP it is 1-2 gcd from any class to destroy it - Obelisc doesn’t benefit from any damage reduction mechanic like vers - so you deal full damage to that thing that has 45-50k HP.
Is this annoying - yes, but the same as need to deal with warrior/pala/mage immunity moments, same as to deal with reflects and silences, same as to deal with CC immunities of wars/DKs, same as to deal with the modern trend of melees being mobile as monkeys on the drugs and being able to damage you from range. It is as annoying as dealing with MM’s being able to spam their abilities across the room and casting rapid fire behind the pillar.
About demon bolt damage, well it is the same story as with the tyrant - CC warlock and all ramp up would be wasted - repeat till the win.
Demo is a mess, a mess with the high damage values that you can lower by CCing demo or demo pets. It is not damage of Palas/wars/DH or even DK that you barely can neglect right now.
The only possible area where demo right now may be overpowered is in the lobby with low CC players or without melees at all.
After that line I highly doubt that you wasted any time on the PTR or the actual game to claim that the felguard now deals insane damage.
Immutable hatred has been redesigned into a mess
When you consume a Demonic Core, your primary Felguard carves your target, dealing [0.743415734365969 * (Spell power * 0.5) * 1 * (1 + Versatility)] Physical damage.
His damage proc is capped by your demonic core generation, which is
2 cores from dreadstalkers per 15 seconds.
Random from the imps.
2 from power siphon once every 30 seconds
10% from the hand of gul’dan.
On top of that, if this is the last talent for demo on that side of the talent tree, it is an 8th talent for freaking FG, you bet your totems that with that amount of talent wasted on FG he should do some meaningful damage. But even with 55% increased damage of FG (40 from two talents and 15 from the Tyrant) his damage is still kinda mediocre.
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Well I spent enough time on ptr to know that it’s one of the top sources of damage. I also check damage meters not to spread herecy about kicking or interrupting Tyrant. We can continue the argue. I don’t mind. You already made yourself look silly twice. Or you can stop and take the L without bringing nonsenses like ccing Tyrant or Nether Portal. It’s up to you.
I mean I played with plenty of Demos and I know how they work. If you want we can go on any discord and discuss about it. I can show you some of my vods so then you can give me some priceless tips like avoiding Nether Portal xD
Demo is the most represented caster for a reason but fotm rerollers are too busy playing their Havocs before they get nerfed. We will see where fotm rerolling train will move then.
drustvar. com/leaderboard/stats/eu/3v3?top=5000
I would let others to decide how I look, I don’t have same level of arrogance as you to claim a win on the forum verbal conversation and act as a forum diva, nor I ever put a doubt at some of your human core skills as to ability to read.
Across the whole your topic you acted very passive-agressive, and lashed with semi-covertly insults, this already strikes an image of adequate forum being, on top on the fact that despite calling the topic " needs massive nerfs" you were very vague on the topic of those nerfs.
Calling for nerfs you spoke about Fel obelisks and some other minions/constructs/guardsians of other classes.
if you wanna be heard and not be looked at as you some another rated/mmr diva, forum troll or just a whiner, be more speciefic about your topic and what you propose.
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I think those charts would be useful after the month. When people stop being meta-fluid or DPS gypsies and will settle down with the classes.
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Brand new sentence
It’s not me who tried to sell that interrupting or ccing Tyrant is the solution. It wasn’t me neither who tried to sell Nether Portal as the reason why Demo is op. As I said you can continue making yourself look silly it’s up to you but you’ve shown you have no idea about how to play Demo in PvP.
That’s probably why Swapxy - 3x Blizzcon winner is playing it now in the ladder. He would for sure start to play on his weakest char early season.
For me it’s hilarious how these two guys who didn’t even play enough games to reach 1600 on their single char and who have 1750 exp on Demo are 100% confident that they are right and Demo cannot be broken. Doesn’t matter that Demo is the most represented caster and that all Lock mains play Demo now. They must be truely believing in them being always right.
To clarify I don’t see myself being good but I at least played way more games in every bracket than them this seaso . I faced a lot of rank 1 and glad players since Wednesday and Demo felt like top 5 spec for sure. The main issue was it literally doesn’t die and good Demo does 80-100 k single target damage with MS effect. On top of it they have insane amount of CC while being able to stun with pet even when they themselves are in crowd control. Last season I played with one Demo early but once he couldn’t facetank everything and actually had to kite we got few lose streaks. Demo is the easiest caster at the moment hands down.
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For me it’s the part where since BFA you didn’t reached 2.4 with elem, didn’t even touched demo lock and you argue with a main demo lock who given a lot of feedback on demo lock
The part also where you flex that you judge on playtime this week when you don’t even know IRL what player have done this week while you rushed hard to feel better
The part where you argue on “your friend” to make your own opinion is kinda funny
The part where you judge demo lock as #1 ranged but in 3v3 leaderboard there more elemental at #1 , then destruction at #2 then demo at #3 but you don’t want to point that out because you play elem
The part where for you 100k non crit is a lot meanwhile elemental can burst 1M damage ( real numbers) in 3 seconds
The part of you judging me of being 1800 warlock in arena but you never gone above 1600 with yours
The part when you only duelled very quick on PTR and that it and think that other here never tested on PTR
The part where you can’t read my #1st post when i said that i saw other player kicking tyran but you are so trigger quickly that you read “ i kick tyran” when i never said that
The part where you flex playing 4 different elem is good when playing 4 different character with same spec is just to roll lower bracket is hardly a flex
And that you say “ i don’t pretend to be good” after all the topic you flexed
Yea that’s hilarious 
they cant make other lock specs worse again tho like they did earlier.Destro and aff suffered too much from not having armor.
Blizz can’t make warlocks worse? Look they can nerf demon skin, nerf tiers/talents/spells just looking at the raw data without a deep dive into mechanics. They can do that, they have done that in the past. - For example, demon skin and soul leech has been nerfed for all warlocks in BFA because destro was overpowered. Demo was a mid at the end of the BFA, but affli was just on the bottom, and blizz nerfed all warlocks instead of just destro.
Right now, blizz can do the same.
So funny.
Then I don’t know what leaderboards are you checking lol
Probably some NA ones.
If you get killed by Elemental doing 1 mln dmg in 3 sec it tells me a lot about what kind of player you are. You lack knowledge about the gameplay mechanics and die to cheese builds so it’s only your fault.
Also tell me how I wasn’t 1800 on my lock Ever if I have 3 elite sets on it. If you want I can send you my Brodandotcom in last seasons elite set. The fact I picked up lock like this and reached your pick not really playing it last season tells me why I shouldn’t treat anything you say about lock serious.
And please tell me how the fact that I played way more games this season after major rework of Demo doesn’t make me have more knowledge about the current meta and matchup. I know that your ego was hurt guys but you don’t need to continue these mental gymnastics.
P.S.:
3 Ele and 1 Enha. I made all my Dark Iron Dwarves Enha.
Oh and I checked Drustvar myself. Since it’s start of the season I took 1800+ as the data that is relevant. In 2s Demo - most popular caster. In 3s it is actually second. Boomys beat them. But I know why. They are historically great Havoc partners and I met quite a few Havoc/Boomy/x teams
That’s litteraly EU
Stop dodging please
Then imagine complaning on a demon bolt dealing 100k
That i never saw you in the PTR during 2 weeks before the patch 10.2 and PTR was a small world
Wait ? You ask for massive nerf of demo lock after losing a arena game versus it and complain on the forums and i am the one with the ego hurt 
?
Brodanyo
You need to learn to sometime to listen to other solution really
I know since BFA at least you post here giving advice to other in need like me too
But sometime it’s ok to say that you don’t have the answer how to deal with demo lock
You instantly set yourself a shell of protection when i suggested you how to deal with demonology warlock
In order to learn you have to ask what you could have been done differently
Sometime mind can be focus on certain point that the mind forget the others
That where it is ok to ask on the forum how to deal with it
Coming to the forum just to complain it is OP and deny all the help how to deal with it and say style “ i know better than you” is an Ouroboros of improvement that lead nowhere but staying at the same point
Just read how people deal differently or what’s the weakness other players found in demono warlock that can be exploited
I send you the screenshot of a mail you once send me, you said it yourself how to deal with something overpowered : you need to exploit it. Exploit weakness of a OP spec and even if it deal more than some other spec you will be able to beat them