In PvP it seems like we barely do any damage at all, I haven’t been able to pressure healers at all, and I’m a Venthyr so my single-target damage is as high as it could be.
In PvE, our Single Target DPS is way behind other DPS classes, with Shadow Priest simming 40% higher than Havoc with the same ilvl, which is madness.
Proof:
`https://www.herodamage.com/demon-hunter/combinations-default/1t-pr-havoc
`https://www.herodamage.com/priest/combinations-default/1t-pr-shadow
In both PvP and PvE, the lack of dodge on Blade Dance makes us incredibly squishy and makes both PvE farming and 1v1 PvP unbearably slow/weak.
The class needs urgent buffs before M+ and Raids release or we might as well not exist in the first tier.
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I agree. Venthyr seems very underwhelming as a Covenant. I never really use the movement skill. I can see it being better in pvp perhaps, although it has a huge telegraph and the 1.5sec cast is kinda long. Would be way more satisfying if this was a blink. So far in pve sinful brand tends to not feel like it’s really doing anything either. I was dissapointed that it doesn’t get applied during eye beam metamorphosis too but I can see maybe this would have been too op, just reading before SL came out I had though it would do this so kinda sucked to find out it doesn’t.
Our pvp talent on the last row seems underhwelming too. It would be cool if this was 25% less to stuns as well as other cc.
Considering Paladins get stun reduction for just standing still to heal themselves, and night fae get amazing blink abilities, it does feel like our abilities have way less cool factor, and are way less powerful. As I said, underwhelming for sure…
My biggest diaapointment is definitely having Demonic Origins being removed as baseline though. Having Metamorphosis on a 2min cooldown feels like this button is actually nice. 4min just makes it feel bad to use. And having it take up pvp talents really sucks. In pvp I really feel like I should get Metamorphosis every 2min without having to replace another pvp talent, the rest feel way too important.
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We’re the only class in the game that has its big DPS button on a 4 min cd. It’s ridiculous.
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Ikr… It just feels terrible to use and no where near part of my rotation…
im playing night fae, and it feels actually like a nice button to hit.
but during the cd i feel like i have no pressure/dmg at all in pvp currently.
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The Metamorphosis cooldown nerf is huge… Having sinful brand not applied for an extra 2min! Now my guild is telling me I should have gone Kyrian as the damage from Elysian Decree is much better and my tank is beating me in dps with it in mythic 0…
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Well i took the consequence and re-rolled to my Rogue. Can’t play a class that is so undertuned. Simply not fun and impossible to pug anything because you won’t get invited. People are not happy about DH’s.
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Today i played tank for fun i mainly Play havoc and with Veng i did more overall than som dps RofL Decree on Veng dh is too op
I went and farmed every mythic 0, every specific heroic I could, now I have to do random heroics to try upgrade anything. I got to ilvl 176, did a dungeon with a SP and a Shaman at ilvl 160-165 and they were beating me on damage.
Blizzard need to filter good feedback from bad feedback. Having everyone call nerf on DH because it is “easy”!? Does this mean it is overpowered? Hunters are easy and I just saw 2 do 200k more dmg than me as well as a Monk in a bg when they can barely be a few more ilvls above me at this stage of the game. I’ve grinded really solid over the last few days and I went in to an arena and still got deleted in under 3 seconds mostly by a Rogue with Warrior attached. Paladins are also stupidly overtuned.
People say don’t nerf stuff that’s good buff stuff that’s bad. Blizzard need to filter the hate towards DH and let us have fun too.
It feels like Venthyr had all the fun nerfed out of it as well.
Give us a more skill based rotation and give us our power back please.
I’d start with 2min Metamorphosis as I never use this anymore. It’s too long a cd not to hold onto for when I need it but you hardly ever need it so I end up never pressing it 
Same with the Venthyr movement ability. If this was a blink I’d actually use it and have fun with it in open world, chaining my DH movement skills with it. But as it is I barely press it as it is never needed to disorient mobs. Unless I did a really bad pull and even then I would probably die before it went off and probably wouldn’t save me anyway. It never comes in use in dungeons for an emergency press because people aoe it immediately.
Sinful brand also feels just really mediocre and bad to use… It barely has any impact, it’s just a simple dot, and again just doesn’t feel great to press really
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I’ve only lost the no1 spot on DPS to a few people. So far it doesn’t seem bad. But other classes are simming way higher with Raid gear and that’s worrying. IT seems we have bad scaling?
I don’t get how you can make a class with only 1 DPS spec and that one DPS spec is bad.
the problem with dh has always been that we always relied on special powers be it artifact powers, covenant abilities, etc. kind of like warriors in legion in nighthold when their draught of souls scaled well with their ability, and made them too op. It sucks.
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It would really help if chaos strike doesnt hit like a shyt.
Back in legion we had critical priority and crit damage, now we have chaos strikes of 500 :S
The reason DH is getting nerfed is because it’s “simple”, can’t be allowed to do decent damage with a low skill cap. So in other words, we’re being punished for Blizzard’s terrible class design.
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Well time to nerf hunters and pallies then.
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oh mm will get nerf for sure - and they will get it fast.
good hunter is doing crazy dps in dungeons now.
Yep, atm MM, retri and arcane seem busted …
Currently ( 60 lvl / 179 ilvl ) I am doing more overall dmg in vengeance spec while in M0. When I was Havoc dpsing … i was just like … wtf ? You are just not doing any competitive dpg without metamorph. I cant progress with this M raids …
Same, I’m having a really tough time convincing my guild to have me in the 1st raid team that will be doing mythic and not the 2nd which will only do heroic
I’ve got 179.5 ilvl. I maxed alch for pots. I’m about to max cooking and will be bringing buff food too. I’ll have to pay for enchants and I had to buy boe as well just to try and show them how serious I am. My class and my covenant are holding me back big time. I think DH is far too popular class BECAUSE IT IS FUN not because it is broken, to leave it like this. We really need to be a competitive class.
I mean it’s not like I get any reports from any of my friends playing other classes and covenants about how fun and op they feel.
I never press metamorphosis anymore, and no the eye beam cd refresh in no way made up for adding 2min cd to this. 2min cd meta is fun, balance this to work like this please so pressing the button is fun and part of our rotation. We only get 2 buttons the rest of the time! Come on let us press meta every 2 min please or make DH rotation more advanced and rework it from the ground up with brand new abilities and cool stuff like rogues and mages and other classes have. Or a completely new 3rd spec would be great. Finish our class please…
The same with Venthyr, I never press door of shadows. I actually think the cast time could be cool so I’m not gonna call for it to be instant cast anymore because, I actually think it could be a great way to bait peoples abilties and then cancel last second. However, I still find that people are able to simply walk out of the cast right now. 1.5 sec is too long, please reduce the cast time of door of shadows so I can pressure a blink or other escape.
Covenants in general don’t feel balanced enough and my choices feel bad
I chose Maldraxus on my Mage alt but when I activate Bonelord, I usually end up lower on dps meter. I think because the activation time essentially is too long. And my guild also tell me I should be Venthyr with Mage for best potential for raid… I really hope everything is going to get a few more balance changes before blizz start holding off as Ian had described in the past. It really, really needs a few more passes before classes and covenants all feel good I feel.
DH in general and DH Venthyr just feel bad right now, and Mage Maldraxus feels underpowered to Mage Venthyr too.
I think they will buff DH some time soon and nerf MM hunters 100%.
I hope you are right, I have my doubts about though. Blizzard don’t have a good history when it comes to this kind of stuff.